browningstalker10g Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 im off out shooting tonight and my browning is broken again, ive only got my escort magnum around tonight, is it proof to fire lyalvale express 36g 3'' hevi-shot steel?? im a dippy blond when it comes to reading the prrof marking?? help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 make sure you use half choke or less should be fine? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 ideal so half choke or less shud be fine, hought as much but wanted to ask the super forum to check, any other feed back wud be great!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 There should be a proof mark of a fleur-de-lys. Like a three petalled iris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hevi-shot steel?:blink: is there such a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 yep lyalvale max game hevi-shot, 3'' 36g No3 steel shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 ok i may be wrong it say hevi-shot is denser than steel, so what is it exsactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 it says on the cartridge must be proofed to 1370 bar, do u rekon an escort is proofed that high?? i dont actualy have the gun here tonight to look at it, but what u think?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hevi-shot is an alloy and steel is mild steel or iron. Take your gun apart and look at the underside of the chambers and you will see lots of figures stamped on it.Just post what is stamped on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 ok i may be wrong it say hevi-shot is denser than steel, so what is it exsactly? Hevishot is an alloy of Tungsten, Nickel and Iron composed approximately 50%, 35% & 15% respectively. Hevishot density is 12g/cc compaired to lead at 11.4g/cc and steel at 7.8g/cc. Cheers, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 ok i may be wrong it say hevi-shot is denser than steel, so what is it exsactly? Hevishot is an alloy of Tungsten, Nickel and Iron composed approximately 50%, 35% & 15% respectively. Hevishot density is 12g/cc compaired to lead at 11.4g/cc and steel at 7.8g/cc. Cheers, Mark. As always Mark, sound advise. One of the mag’s ran a feature a month or so back giving penetration figures for all types of non toxic shot, and heavy came out of it very well, as Mark has pointed out due to its density, I know this sheds no light on if your gun can fire it but as you seem to have a problem telling the difference between shot types your best bet is to take the gun to your local gunsmith for advise just to be sure. You can’t be too careful and safety is paramount. There is little compression characteristics of steel shoot when compared to say lead hence the high pressure build up and the need for open chokes. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 ive got an escort magnum it in the book it says the chokes are not suitable for steel,mines tested to 1200kgm so the gun can take almost anything u put through it but the chokes need replacing for steel shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 wats the differnce between bar and kgm?? or is it the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 You have to be sure you`re not reading the weight of the barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead-eye-dick Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) Sorry to hi-jack the thread but... I have a gun chamberd for 3" which does NOT have the 'steel shot' marking on the barrel. As bismouth/Tungsten-matrix is not as hard as steel, do you think I'll be ok putting 20 or so shots per year through it if I stick to open chokes...? :( Edited February 8, 2006 by dead-eye-dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country_est Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 With the gun chambered for 3" you should be able to use the tungsten matrix shot OK. This is with the provisio that the cartridge you are using is rated at more than the barrels are proofed for. Ie the barrel proof mark will have the rating in Bar / KG and the cart box should state the max pressure reqd. I have a old(ish) 1980's 3" o/u that I use(d) for everything other than steel. I now have a berreta Xtreama 3.5" with steel proof so no probs now Trev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 (edited) I almost put a deposti down on a Berreta Extrema 3.5" Do you reccomend this gun? I want it do the job of fox at close/ish range using big carts. Also should I ever get into hunting large birds, this would be a usefull tool. Edited February 9, 2006 by Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Do you reccomend this gun? Yes, this gun will do the job very well. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 A berretta Extrema is a fantastic gun, They haven't loaded a 12B cartridge that you cannot fire through it. I personally would not use steel through a gun that is not specifically marked as OK (Fleur de Lys). Bismuth is fine as it is designed for use in older guns which are not steel proofed. If all else fails read the side of the cartridge box. I have never used Tungsten Matrix due to cost but have heard that it performs well. Steel and Bismuth are great up to about 30yds. Hevi-Shot is excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead-eye-dick Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 So to sum-up I shhould be ok to use a few non-toxic loads AS LONG AS IT'S NOT STEEL. Thanks guys - put my mind at rest Dead-eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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