TJ91 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 a friend of myne is coming to scotland with me this year to try get his first goose he has an old lanber o/u it has 2 3/4'' chambers, quarter and 3quarter choke With it having the tight choke steel is a no What is the CHEAPEST, safest option for him?? The geese are going to be decoyed, so no long shots. We have aload of 32g 5s bismuth for the ducks But he is on a tight budget and he doesnt want to be spending another £20+ on a box for geese!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 a friend of myne is coming to scotland with me this year to try get his first goosehe has an old lanber o/u it has 2 3/4'' chambers, quarter and 3quarter choke With it having the tight choke steel is a no What is the CHEAPEST, safest option for him?? The geese are going to be decoyed, so no long shots. We have aload of 32g 5s bismuth for the ducks But he is on a tight budget and he doesnt want to be spending another £20+ on a box for geese!? well, he`s screwd then ! the next he might get away with is tin, and it is really the worst stuff ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 tungsten matrix is doable but thats £30 plus a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twitchynik Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Can't he use steel in just the 1/4 choke barrel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 why dont you guys split the price of a box. how many rounds you going to go through ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Id use steel and borrow a semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 i already have my cartridges, a mix of tungsten and hevi shot. and i dont want to dish out anymore money I will have to try find a semi for him to borrow Thanks anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 3/4 choke should be fine for steel if you're not pushing the biggest pellets. I shot Imod (roughly 3/4) in my O/U with steel as my tight barrel and it is fine. I was shooting #2 steel, which I would think is about what you want for close decoyed geese. Have your mate look at the actual choke constrictions which should be stamped into the barrels/flats and make sure what they are calling 3/4 is actually 3/4. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 3/4 choke should be fine for steel if you're not pushing the biggest pellets. I shot Imod (roughly 3/4) in my O/U with steel as my tight barrel and it is fine. I was shooting #2 steel, which I would think is about what you want for close decoyed geese. Have your mate look at the actual choke constrictions which should be stamped into the barrels/flats and make sure what they are calling 3/4 is actually 3/4. Thanks, Rick he has one of those things that drop into barrel and measures choke, its 3/4 i know steel through older guns with chokes tighter then half can damage them but after how many shots? would 1 shot damage the barrel or does it take alot of shots to damage it? would he be safe putting say 10shots through the tight choke or would it damage it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 The geese are going to be decoyed, so no long shots. Inland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 a friend of myne is coming to scotland with me this year to try get his first goosehe has an old lanber o/u it has 2 3/4'' chambers, quarter and 3quarter choke With it having the tight choke steel is a no What is the CHEAPEST, safest option for him?? The geese are going to be decoyed, so no long shots. We have aload of 32g 5s bismuth for the ducks But he is on a tight budget and he doesnt want to be spending another £20+ on a box for geese!? are the geese going to be decoyed inland ? if so you can use lead shot so long as it don't fall on to wet lands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) are the geese going to be decoyed inland ? if so you can use lead shot so long as it don't fall on to wet lands its inland but on the edge of a pond, the marshy ground floods so it will have to be non toxic its looking like either inland (stubbles, grass) only if the geese are there or he will have to dish out more pennys! Edited October 27, 2010 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 If you are spending quite a bit of cash travling north and on B&B whats another £30.00 on a box of tungstun or bismuth in 3s. Just a few pints less in the bar. If you want to shoot geese the birds deserve a shell to be used on them that will kill them cleanly. 32gr of steel or bismuth will not do that unless they are very , very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 If you are spending quite a bit of cash travling north and on B&B whats another £30.00 on a box of tungstun or bismuth in 3s. Just a few pints less in the bar. If you want to shoot geese the birds deserve a shell to be used on them that will kill them cleanly. 32gr of steel or bismuth will not do that unless they are very , very close. staying with family who live up there and wont be going to any pubs but he is fairly skint so trying to save every penny, i am paying all the fuel costs as he cant afford it, but i dont mind as i will be going whether he wanted to or not, i just dont want to buy cartridges and food for him! i wouldnt let him use 32gram on geese, close or not its not the way to do it! the 32gram bismuth cartridges will be used on ducks only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 he has one of those things that drop into barrel and measures choke, its 3/4 i know steel through older guns with chokes tighter then half can damage them but after how many shots? would 1 shot damage the barrel or does it take alot of shots to damage it? would he be safe putting say 10shots through the tight choke or would it damage it? In that case you definitely need to check the flats of the gun for what it is actually choked. The bores of a 12 gauge shotgun can vary quite a lot from manufacturer to manufacturer. Choke is simply the difference between the diameter of the bore minus the diameter of the end of the muzzle. If you have a tight bored gun to start with, a small diameter muzzle exit won't actually be a 3/4 choke. He might have a 1/2 choke constriction which is more than fine for steel. The only way to know is to check the stamps on the gun. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 If you are spending quite a bit of cash travling north and on B&B whats another £30.00 on a box of tungstun or bismuth in 3s. Just a few pints less in the bar. If you want to shoot geese the birds deserve a shell to be used on them that will kill them cleanly. 32gr of steel or bismuth will not do that unless they are very , very close. Just to clarify anser, you mean the 32 g 5's shouldn't be used unless very close. You don't mean all 32g loads, right? 32g is 1 1/8oz which is possibly the most popular weight load for shooting geese in the US. With steel, speed kills. 32g of #2 was my standard goose load for 40 yards and under (where I shot all of my birds). The same load in bigger shot is the norm for pass shooting in the US. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) Just to clarify anser, you mean the 32 g 5's shouldn't be used unless very close. You don't mean all 32g loads, right? 32g is 1 1/8oz which is possibly the most popular weight load for shooting geese in the US. With steel, speed kills. 32g of #2 was my standard goose load for 40 yards and under (where I shot all of my birds). The same load in bigger shot is the norm for pass shooting in the US. Thanks, Rick 5s UK size are a bit on the small size for geese in most pellets lead\steel\bismuth , though Hevi- shot would be ok within 40 yards. Because of CIP restrictions English steel is very slow compared with the US stuff. From what i have seen from many US goose shooting videos the majority of geese shot over decoys are at very close range. Many seem to lose clouds feathers like a pigeon. Something none of the geese i have shot have ever done. I am talking about factory loads when i say 32gr loads of steel are not suitable for geese. Over the years I have shot a few with such loads when I have been duck shooting , but all have been 25-30 yard bracket and English factory 32 gr loads do not have the pattern in suitable pellet sizes. 40 yards is a good range to shoot a duck with in standard steel loads of 4s or 3s let alone a goose. The fastest English loaded 32 gr steel loads are much slower than US loads and some like Express are only 850fps. Much too slow. Indeed I question the suitability of steel in any English factory load beyond 40 yards unless you use a steel full choke (.700) moderated specificaly for BB and BBB pellets and 3.5 inch 1 9\16 loads of Remmi or Winchester BB or BBBs with a speed of 1550 fps and even with such a load 50 yards is plenty far enough. I with find such loads I can put a goose in the bag for every 2 shots ( all flighted birds as I do not decoy geese). Edited October 29, 2010 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Inland geese in Scotland? Express 42 gram 3's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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