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Right here go's I've knocked on every farm door within 20 miles or so from me, politely asking for permission for foxing and keep getting the same answer,either someone has bet me to it,the don't allow shooting on their land or the shooting syndicate sort out their foxes,so I'm asking if anyone within a hour from Barnsley could help me out? One or two nights every couple of weeks would be great,I hold a current FAC (closed at the mo so land must be cleared) and shoot a .22-250,I will have access to some foxing after the game season has finished and will return any offers with nights or days out on my land. In the meantime if anyone can help me out or need a hand please let me know.

ATB Jase.

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You're going straight for the proverbial jugular, a better approach would be to offer to keep the rabbits and pigeons down, then ask for foxing once the farmer knows you can be trusted.

 

Most arable farmers couldn't give a damn if their land was overrun with foxes, they do, however get concerned if they see loads of rabbits hopping all over the place.

 

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You're going straight for the proverbial jugular, a better approach would be to offer to keep the rabbits and pigeons down, then ask for foxing once the farmer knows you can be trusted.

 

Most arable farmers couldn't give a damn if their land was overrun with foxes, they do, however get concerned if they see loads of rabbits hopping all over the place.

 

Cat.

 

Come on Cat think straight, he obviously can't get the same thrill from shooting rabbits after all they are only quite small (they might be edible and a nuisance to the farmer but they're not a real mans' quarry). This guy obviously needs to kill something worthwhile and until badger comes on the quarry list the fox will have to do.

 

Mr P

 

PS Before you all start jumping down my throat I'm not an anti, I was one of the 407,791 marching through London in 2002 to try and keep hunting with hounds and I shoot pigeons and game whenever possible. I believe that control of foxes is an unfortunate necessity to protect livestock including gamebirds but frankly I detest the term "foxing". My two pennies worth is that with modern rifles and superb optics (including night vision) not forgetting store bought calls and electronic callers it must be harder to miss a fox rather than kill it!!

If people have to shoot foxes for the legitimate reasons above then so be it, no issue but if you're fortunate enough not to have a "fox problem" then prove you're a sharp shooter on the range not by trawling the internet looking for "foxing"

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mr P is it not more of a case that you dont want the foxes shot so there is plenty for the hunt to chase about ?

 

 

I sort of get your point that some people kill foxes for no other reason than to say they killed a fox but at the end of the day they are vermin and destructive little beggars,so the less the better.

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mr P is it not more of a case that you don't want the foxes shot so there is plenty for the hunt to chase about ?

 

 

I sort of get your point that some people kill foxes for no other reason than to say they killed a fox but at the end of the day they are vermin and destructive little beggars,so the less the better.

 

Evening Blackbart,

 

I've never hunted (on horseback) in my life but if I've understood it correctly, prior to the ban, the hunt would have an "arrangement" with local landowners so that permission for shooting foxes would only be given sparingly or not at all, this ensured a plentiful supply of quarry, this may or may not be true but it sounds plausible.

 

As for the vermin and destructive beggars, well yes they can be in the "wrong" location but in the right location they are nothing more than part of Britain's rich diversity of wildlife. I work at a plant that has a large area of undisturbed land at the back of it, in fact it would make the most superb rough shoot in the history of shooting but the multinational company who owns it wont even consider it (when asked they used the delightful phrase "forbidding the discharging of a firearm" they can't even bring themselves to call it a gun!! Anyhoo, there are, at times, foxes on this land, we assume they are living off frogs, voles, mice and yes probably some ground nesting birds but as we like to say that's nature. The last fox I saw up there was nearly a year ago and a right mangy looking thing it was too, I assume it/ they have gone but the food and shelter is still there so I am at a loss as to why?

As an aside it is amazing how quickly they adapt to changing times, a few years ago when we had a few foxes on the land they soon learned that a dozer driver was bringing food in for them, he would park up at lunch time and leave the food, a chicken carcass or something similar, on the track of the machine right by the cab door, Charlie soon learned to hop up on the track , walk up to the food and enjoy his lunch. Within a week or two it would walk up the track and sit outside the cab waiting for food and if there wasn't any that day would wait for a full 5 minutes before trotting off!

 

They can come in quite useful, if I had shot any ferals when pigeon shooting or I have had any woodies that had got fly blown I used to take them into work a chuck them in the areas I knew the fox was. A couple of days later there were only feathers left, will sound daft to some but I never felt the birds had been wasted when I fed the foxes with em.

 

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The foxes will still be there if the food is still there.I used to be involved in a shoot where we put down a few thousand birds and we used to controll the foxes on the land.We shot 70-80 foxes a year.

 

Another estate i shot on had very few foxes.

 

We lost the sporting rights on estate A and we set up the shoot on estate B(the one with very few foxes)

 

I still shoot vermin on both estates.The one that we got 70-80 foxes per year on is now virtually fox free.The estate that had very few on..........yes you guessed it....258 in the last 3 year :good:

 

The conclusion is the fox will follow the food.Non of my land has a great deal of rabbits on it and the only reason one has a lot of foxes is the presence of gamebirds and unfortunately every fox is shot on sight for this reason.

 

 

I would hate to see the day when there isnt any foxes but to be honest i cant see that day ever coming unless it is a disease that does for them.

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<!--quoteo(post=1220969:date=Oct 29 2010, 05:07 PM:name=Catamong)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Catamong @ Oct 29 2010, 05:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1220969"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You're going straight for the proverbial jugular, a better approach would be to offer to keep the rabbits and pigeons down, then ask for foxing once the farmer knows you can be trusted.

 

Most arable farmers couldn't give a damn if their land was overrun with foxes, they do, however get concerned if they see loads of rabbits hopping all over the place.

 

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Come on Cat think straight, he obviously can't get the same thrill from shooting rabbits after all they are only quite small (they might be edible and a nuisance to the farmer but they're not a real mans' quarry). This guy obviously needs to kill something worthwhile and until badger comes on the quarry list the fox will have to do.

 

Mr P

 

PS Before you all start jumping down my throat I'm not an anti, I was one of the 407,791 marching through London in 2002 to try and keep hunting with hounds and I shoot pigeons and game whenever possible. I believe that control of foxes is an unfortunate necessity to protect livestock including gamebirds but frankly I detest the term "foxing". My two pennies worth is that with modern rifles and superb optics (including night vision) not forgetting store bought calls and electronic callers it must be harder to miss a fox rather than kill it!!

If people have to shoot foxes for the legitimate reasons above then so be it, no issue but if you're fortunate enough not to have a "fox problem" then prove you're a sharp shooter on the range not by trawling the internet looking for "foxing"

So I don't suppose you're offering any "FOXING" then :good: and as for the comments on "Rabbits being small and eddible"

Quite right as we shoot around 1500 a year,but unfornately CF are a no no on these permissions,and as for "real mans quarry" you obviously never tried pitting yor wits against,such a wothy quarry,but then again it must be so easy with all these modern day super dooper gadgets,so I suggest instead of interfereing with peoples threads do a bit of homework and keep you stupid comments to yourself.

atb Jase.

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So I don't suppose you're offering any "FOXING" then :blush: and as for the comments on "Rabbits being small and eddible"

Quite right as we shoot around 1500 a year,but unfortunately CF are a no no on these permissions,and as for "real mans quarry" you obviously never tried pitting yor wits against,such a wothy quarry,but then again it must be so easy with all these modern day super dooper gadgets,so I suggest instead of interfereing with peoples threads do a bit of homework and keep you stupid comments to yourself.

atb Jase.

 

"pitting your wits against such a worthy quarry" I think that is about right, my post inferred that it doesn't take much or many "wits" to shoot a fox. I will say it again, with modern rifles, modern telescopic sights, electronic callers etc etc anybody of whatever intelligence or ability can shoot foxes, it appears that most can be shot from the comfort of your 4 x 4 !!!!

 

What I was trying to get across was my abhorrence of the concept of shooting foxes just so you can posses and fire a CF rifle, read the post, some foxes require culling and some foxes can be left well alone but you, by the very fact you are advertising for "foxing", obviously are at your happiest killing something whether it needs culling or not.

 

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"pitting your wits against such a worthy quarry" I think that is about right, my post inferred that it doesn't take much or many "wits" to shoot a fox. I will say it again, with modern rifles, modern telescopic sights, electronic callers etc etc anybody of whatever intelligence or ability can shoot foxes, it appears that most can be shot from the comfort of your 4 x 4 !!!!

 

What I was trying to get across was my abhorrence of the concept of shooting foxes just so you can posses and fire a CF rifle, read the post, some foxes require culling and some foxes can be left well alone but you, by the very fact you are advertising for "foxing", obviously are at your happiest killing something whether it needs culling or not.

 

Mr Potter

 

Hello Mr Potty...er I mean Mr Potter.

Like I said earlier,you obviously haven't got a clue what fox shooting is about have you? You seem to think I want to shoot foxes just for the sake of shooting them or to brag,but if you could have been bothered to read my original post,I control the foxes on a shoot where they need to be controlled ,it's just that we not allowed back on untill the game season has finished,the only reason I have posted a wanted add on here is to see if anyone needed a hand until than.not all keepers can find the time to be out looking for foxes day and night at this time of year,you said earlier that you was on the country side march in 2002,do you think you was the only member of this site there? but then again it's like someone said ealier I think the only reason you don't like foxes to be shot is because they would be less for your hunting cronies to chase around and eerrr shoot it once the hounds have flushed it :blush: I for one will not be giving up shooting them and if you think it's that easy to shoot foxes by all means have a go,and has for killing something that needs culling or not they most certainally do,and on the same note what about any live shooting,is there a "need" to shoot any wild animal or bird,be it game bird,pigeon,rabbit,unless you're a crop farmer or livestock farmer there is no "need" to shoot anything,but people do because at the end of the day we enjoy shooting and it's everybody to their own.

Jase.

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lets be calm here guys ,we all know that hunts detest fox shooters because we can control foxes far better than they ever did .what annoys me is that the typical horsey hunter never wanted to know fox shooters,rabbiters ,wildfowlers etc until the ban then we where all supposed to be one big happy family who all supported hunting with hounds .bullocks

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I'm confused why your not allowed on your game shoot permission at the moment :hmm: surely nows the time to be on there controlling Charlie?

 

I'm 'not required' for any vermin control on some of my permissions as the shooting and lamps disturb the game which earns the estate mega bucks. Bear in mind that the birds might become accustomed to gunfire and not take to flight so readily if they have no fear of it.

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Exactly the same as me Dave,It's not a case of not being allowed on the land ,its more a case of me not wanting to be upseting the game birds in the middle of the shooting season,can't see me being very poular with the game keepers if this happens :oops: so I thought if anyone wanted a hand on less sensetive land I'd gladly lend a hand :good: ,so it's a case of being on call when the gamekeepers need you and having a sensible head on(all beit bored to death) when they don't :sad1:

Jase,

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never heard of anyone with a game shoot leaving the foxes alone during the season. Must be an odd northern tradition where the pheasants are harder or something. Also never heard of pheasants getting used to gunfire and not flying so you learn something every day.

Round us we lay off the rabbit shooting near woods during the season and are out regularly after the foxes as the occasional centrefire round going off is nothing compared to the damage foxes do down here

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I am surprised that you think fox shooting is that difficult.

It's target practice most of the year with the new yearly stock, that's why you can shoot so many.

Try getting to grips with them up here mate on the grouse moors in November when it's blowing a hooley,with sleet mixed in nearly 24/7.

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Try getting to grips with them up here mate on the grouse moors in November when it's blowing a hooley,with sleet mixed in nearly 24/7.

 

That would only make it less comfortable unless you are shooting from a truck.

 

Hardly any recoil from the .222 or .223, it's just breathing and bullet placement.

 

No problem if you enjoy it.

 

If you are offering a service and no one wants it, you can't complain about it.

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That would only make it less comfortable unless you are shooting from a truck.

 

Hardly any recoil from the .222 or .223, it's just breathing and bullet placement.

 

No problem if you enjoy it.

 

If you are offering a service and no one wants it, you can't complain about it.

 

Can't get the truck to all parts mate have to sit out and wait,and who's complaining? just replying to comments posted on my thread ???Just out of interest mate how many fox do you shoot per year?

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