spiceychilli57 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 having real problems with semi not recycling second cart properly, its ejecting the 1st cart case but failing to find the barrel with the second cartridge ive only just got it back from its service, does anybody know if this common or does something need adjusting its driving me mad any help much appreciated thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 It's a known problem with the 391. Is that what you've got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiceychilli57 Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 yeah its a 391 should i send it back to the guy who serviced it and complain to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) yeah its a 391 should i send it back to the guy who serviced it and complain to him? They can suffer from a bent carrier that makes the shells mouth hook up at 9 oclock to the breech, where the extractor sits and the cure is to bend the carrier upwards slightly on this side to make the shells enter the breech correctly. Hasn't happened to mine yet, fingers crossed. EDIT: Should have read 3 o'clock to the breech Edited October 31, 2010 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift4me Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I sold and cleaned more than a hundred 391s over a six year period, and am unaware of this "known problem". What happens when you cycle shells through the gun without firing them? I am aware of a problem with the bolt release lever, (the piece that has the button you push to close the bolt), if the trigger group has been taken out or put in without depressing the button. The solution for that is a gentle bending, but bending the shell carrier seems odd to me. I'd definitely consult the guy who did your service efore I did anything. If you know someone with another 392, you might switch trigger groups and try it. Good luck, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I sold and cleaned more than a hundred 391s over a six year period, and am unaware of this "known problem". What happens when you cycle shells through the gun without firing them? I am aware of a problem with the bolt release lever, (the piece that has the button you push to close the bolt), if the trigger group has been taken out or put in without depressing the button. The solution for that is a gentle bending, but bending the shell carrier seems odd to me. I'd definitely consult the guy who did your service efore I did anything. If you know someone with another 392, you might switch trigger groups and try it. Good luck, Pete Take your pick http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/search.php...p;submit=Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 They can suffer from a bent carrier that makes the shells mouth hook up at 9 oclock to the breech, where the extractor sits and the cure is to bend the carrier upwards slightly on this side to make the shells enter the breech correctly. Hasn't happened to mine yet, fingers crossed. EDIT: Should have read 3 o'clock to the breech Yep, i had the same with a U2. if gun was dirty then it would catch, after speaking to baretta they said that a replacement carrier should sort the problem. i was at the CLA and went for a chat to GMK and one very kind gent went out back and got me a new carrier. fitted it when i got home and since then i havent had a problem. 1500 carts since and i think i should clean it.hehe. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiceychilli57 Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 intriguing... cycling carts through by hand its fine no jamming at all, when its fired tho its holding the second cart up at 3'oclock to the breach, only doen it on rare occasion before thought that was normal think a phone call might be required tommorow to the service guy not what i would expect from a qualified gunsmith with a few years experience under his belt wont name and shame untill he tries to charge me for repair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgeoff Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 intriguing... cycling carts through by hand its fine no jamming at all, when its fired tho its holding the second cart up at 3'oclock to the breach, only doen it on rare occasion before thought that was normal think a phone call might be required tommorow to the service guy not what i would expect from a qualified gunsmith with a few years experience under his belt wont name and shame untill he tries to charge me for repair if its of any help i have noticed with my auto which is approx 18months old is that it does not like 28 7 and half carts so i tend to stick 32 6s etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Unless the gunsmith test fired the gun, he would probably be unaware of the carrier problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiceychilli57 Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 even if he didnt fire it he should know how to service it corretly and i expect to get it back in the same condition that i gave it to him in and thats another thing... when it went in the sight beed was fine now its loose and rattles arrgh!! carts wise the 32g 6's have never been a problem but 28g 8's have misfired a couple of times maybe once or twice a round maximum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 even if he didnt fire it he should know how to service it corretly and i expect to get it back in the same condition that i gave it to him in and thats another thing... when it went in the sight beed was fine now its loose and rattles arrgh!! carts wise the 32g 6's have never been a problem but 28g 8's have misfired a couple of times maybe once or twice a round maximum My 12g Urika cycles 21gram loads so 28g shouldn't be a problem if the gun is clean and working properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I had quite a few jam-ups before I totally stripped mine and gave it a good clean. But since yours has supposedly had a service......... I've sold mine since but not because of any cycling problem. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I sold and cleaned more than a hundred 391s over a six year period, and am unaware of this "known problem". What happens when you cycle shells through the gun without firing them? I am aware of a problem with the bolt release lever, (the piece that has the button you push to close the bolt), if the trigger group has been taken out or put in without depressing the button. The solution for that is a gentle bending, but bending the shell carrier seems odd to me. I'd definitely consult the guy who did your service efore I did anything. If you know someone with another 392, you might switch trigger groups and try it. Good luck, Pete I've certainly heard of the bent carrier problem on the 391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 easy to check without firing. you take the carrier out and see if it sits square on a flat surface, if one corner is up then its bend. 28g of 7 noble sport is my main one, i have gone as low as 21g with no problems and the same for 32g of 6. before the carrier was changed it would happen ever 20 or so shots if i didnt keep the gun spotless. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiceychilli57 Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 after reading through a few threads about bent carriers... can anybody recomend a gunsmith that is a beretta expert? would contacting beretta be quicker? any idea of costing or ease of fitting? i dont want to send the gun off for god knows how long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Have the same on my urika. Took the carrier out and sorted that. It was slightly better, but it doesn't seem to like the 65mm cases. I have been using Lyavale pigeon express 30g No6. A fantastic cartridge in my O/U but the semi won't deal with them. It will cycle anything as long as its 67mm upwards. If you havn't looked at this then try it. Hope this helps. Dealing with the carrier is easy, take the front pin out and waggle the whole trigger assy out. You will see by placing it on a flat surface if it is bent. Then simply (and gently) tweek it back into kilter. There is a site somewhere on how to do this, will see if I can find it. Edited November 1, 2010 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Have a look at this, may give you a better idea than a description. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic....207846#p1729320 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiceychilli57 Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Thanks muchly for the link turbo after reading through it seems bending the carrier could be a fix whether its permanent or not :blink: looks like its got a date with a vice and a screwdriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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