mike9965 Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 as anyone or can anyone tell me the what type of speed the .22 10gr thunderbolt travels at as anyone tried them through a crono and have the differnt speeds compared to normal pellets .22 as tryng to work out what ft/ib they hit at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 They were launched with a carefully arranged fanfare of posts by our very own Clubshot designed to stimulate interest. Clubshot works for the manufacturers by the way. Initial results posted on the various forums suggests that they aren't accurate enough to be worthwhile. They seem to have faded into obscurity already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 They were launched with a carefully arranged fanfare of posts by our very own Clubshot designed to stimulate interest. Clubshot works for the manufacturers by the way. Initial results posted on the various forums suggests that they aren't accurate enough to be worthwhile. They seem to have faded into obscurity already. Clive - Wake up - Thunderbolts 5.00 Grain in .177 / 10 & 13 Grain in .22 Are being run None Stop - as many are Buying them - Just proves how out of Touch you are As you will read on some Forums - Customers are having to wait for Stock these Day's New Machines are on Order to cope with Demand BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Do a Google search on "thunderbolt pellets" and other than the original advertising threads you started back in the spring there's virtually nothing posted. All these buyers must be keeping them secret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) What type of speed do they travel at?-doesn,t that depend on the power of the gun firing them?-the ones i,ve seen locally are,nt moving at all-do yourself a favour and buy Air Arms or any well known quality pellet. Edited November 19, 2010 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike9965 Posted November 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 put a cpl through the crono today .22 745fps mine were certainly moving ok they were making my rifle a tad hot at 12.3 but that is some speed in .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 What is the point of having a faster pellet? Accuracy, reliability, stopping power are all desirable traits, but speed - why? They don't hit any harder because they are so lightweight. Some people just have to buy the newest, shinyest, most expensive of anything. Me, I stick with the tried and trusted brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike9965 Posted November 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) heres a 10 shot group into my target holder without actually aiming anywhere except at the target before you say there not accurate lol they dont hit as hard ?????? thats a 10 shot group after aiming ....................... Edited November 20, 2010 by mike9965 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Thats a 10 shot group aiming. AT WHAT RANGE??!! 10 yrds??!! 100? Doesn't mean a whole lot 'till you tell us distance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul87 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 What was the distance and air rifle used Mike? Wouldn't like to see the target holder if an fac air rifle was used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) I hate to point out the boringly obvious, but don't super lightweight pellets perform terribly in the wind? Also you have to bear in mind that lighter pellets do best power-wise out of a springer, heavier pellets tend to have the highest fpe out of a pcp (there are exceptions to this rule of thumb) A 5 grain pellet travelling out of my.177 HW100S' barrel, would need to be moving at 1039 fps to match the performance of 8.4 grain AA field pellets @11.9 fpe. I know 11.9 fpe is close to the limit but using heavy h&n barracudas the ifle only puts out 11fpe dead - go figure! Edited November 20, 2010 by The Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 heres a 10 shot group into my target holder without actually aiming anywhere except at the target before you say there not accurate lol they dont hit as hard ?????? Granted they look impessive when shot at metal or wood. But we don't hunt metal or wooden quarry. What you will find with these (and there are posts to this effect if you look around the forums) is that the Thunderbolt and Defiant type of pellets go straight through the live targets causing minimal trauma and lessening your chance of a clean kill. I tried this type of pellet a couple of years ago and found that pigeons shot in the chest just flew off. I knew that I had hit them as I saw the puff of feathers from the exit wound, but the birds flew away to die elsewhere. Squirrels too did not fold to chest shots as they did with lead pellets. Many ran off and were found by the dog several yards away. So I did some side by side tests using rook squabs as targets. Same species and age of birds, same distances, same height, etc. AA Fields and Superdomes killed every time. The penetrator pellets sometimes didn't even bring the birds down. The speed of the pellet is totally irrelevant except when used in calculations with its weight to achieve the ft/lbs figure. A slower lead pellet will impart more energy into the live target than a faster non-lead pellet will. The penetrator pellets such as Defiants and Thunderbolts only impart a tiny fraction of their energy when travelling through flesh. The best type of pellet for hunting is one that is accurate and stops inside the quarry - i.e. a lead pellet from a reputable manufacturer. Unless you intend hunting tin rabbits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Yup, agreed. A small fast and hard pellet will zip right through the flesh. The best pellet is one that stops in the target, delivering ALL its energy where its needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike9965 Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 distance wise the shots were about 15-20 yds rifle hw85 bog standard 25 yrs old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 distance wise the shots were about 15-20 yds Well not exactly a real hard test of accuracy then..... :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Yup, agreed. A small fast and hard pellet will zip right through the flesh. The best pellet is one that stops in the target, delivering ALL its energy where its needed. Me too, I use Bisley Magnums in .177 and find that they are a bit too solid, they don't deform much and will sometimes go straight through a fully grown rabbits chest- not ideal but they seem the most accurate pellets for my Falcon. I would like to find something softer/lighter that performs as well as I think some of the pellets energy is being wasted as it's not being imparted to the target. But accuracy is all important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Bullet Design Pellets have being coming out of Pax Machines for Years And sold Home & Overseas Sold As Exterminators & Defiants Also Sold as FX in Sweden - Also Named Smooth Twist - For New Barrels Hatsun Torpedo's Rangermasters for Daystates Was Logun Pentrators - Now Sold as Exterminators Again - Following Webley's Closure All Above are Made from Lead Piledrivers - In Lead Dynamics in Tin ThUnderbolts - in Zinc Many more in Design & proving - Only restricted - by Lack of machine - Production Time Yes more machines are On order - BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonrocket Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 I use Logun Penetrators in my R10 (.177). Its been tuned by Tench and the power is well up at 11.75 foots. As a response to Zinaroon I did this vid of 50 yard shooting at a 15mm target. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j9AWw1acV4 I appreciate that Mike's rifle is a springer, an old one but a very decent make and probably very well looked after but with modern PCP's when a decent pellet is selected suiting the rifle the accuracy should be smack on. I shoot many rabbits each year and I agree with some posters about the pellets staying in the rabbits and giving all their energy to damage but.. I only do head shots. If the pellet is accurate but lighter - as long as it slices through the skull and minces the brain, job done. I have some H&N field target Trophy Green pellets I am trying for a friend at the moment and they are lightweight. Low on chrono power but very fast, the accuracy I am still working on with barrel cleaning and lubing but, so far a slight sniff of wind and they are gone. I have not used them on live vermin as I want to be sure, I do though like lead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 (edited) Bullet Design Pellets have being coming out of Pax Machines for Years And sold Home & Overseas Sold As Exterminators & Defiants Also Sold as FX in Sweden - Also Named Smooth Twist - For New Barrels Hatsun Torpedo's Rangermasters for Daystates Was Logun Pentrators - Now Sold as Exterminators Again - Following Webley's Closure All Above are Made from Lead Piledrivers - In Lead Dynamics in Tin ThUnderbolts - in Zinc Many more in Design & proving - Only restricted - by Lack of machine - Production Time Yes more machines are On order - BOB/R Yes, but I said lead pellets from a reputable manufacturer You know? One with trophies in its cabinet. p.s. The Defiants, etc are not lead but lead alloy Edited November 22, 2010 by UKPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Yes, but I said lead pellets from a reputable manufacturer You know? One with trophies in its cabinet. p.s. The Defiants, etc are not lead but lead alloy Clive, What planet do you come from - In His Early Day's Terry Doe - was the PR man For Pax Gun's Until He got a Better Offer Trophies do not pay Bills or Keep a Factory Running - Full Order books do And annual Export Awards - As UK's Largest Exporter of Gun Accessories - Pellets Where do you Get Lead Alloy from ? They are made from 99% Lead other is Heat and Hardner Made from Quality UK Manufactured Lead Wire - From Northampton BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Clive, What planet do you come from - In His Early Day's Terry Doe - was the PR man For Pax Gun's Until He got a Better Offer Trophies do not pay Bills or Keep a Factory Running - Full Order books do And annual Export Awards - As UK's Largest Exporter of Gun Accessories - Pellets Where do you Get Lead Alloy from ? They are made from 99% Lead other is Heat and Hardner Made from Quality UK Manufactured Lead Wire - From Northampton BOB/R "The Defiant range are high velocity, lubricated lead alloy pellets........" Taken from the Defiant Pellet web page: http://www.defiantpellets.com/ Where do you get your information from? By the way, love the 'high velocity' bit As for your trophy cabinet: As UK's Largest Exporter of Gun Accessories - Pellets Not exactly much competition is there? What about target shooting trophies? Accupells, Air Arms Fields, JSBs H&N FTT all have impressive international trophies for accuracy. As for Pax / Prometheus? Other than an impressive class win in the Lea Valley Club springer competition back in May 2008 that is Trophies do not pay Bills or Keep a Factory Running - Full Order books do I think that you'll find JSB and the like do pretty well out of their reputations built on trophies won and satisfied customers. I'd like to bet that they sell many, many times more pellets than Pax. These trophies also generate lots of genuine free advertising unlike a certain company I could mention that relies on its tame forum member abusing board rules by raising their name at every oppertunity Run a poll on here to see what pellets people use for hunting and target shooting and I'll wager that Pax pellets hardly get a mention (other than yourself of course). Go on. I dare you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyflier Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 I hope he replies soon............ Me popcorn's gone cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 I hope he replies soon............ Me popcorn's gone cold He's too busy going round the air gun shops wiping the dust off the Defiant pellet displays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 No poll then....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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