Kes Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Gentlemen, Adjacent to our shoot is a farmer who puts down no birds but is instead parasitic upon the birds which we put down. Pheasants will try very many areas, especially in cold weather but, given this farmer is rude and abusive to us, how should we try to 'neutralise' his efforts to pinch our birds. I think his ethics, as a shooting man, stink but I don't want mine, in trying to solve this problem to sink to the same level as his. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Gentlemen, Adjacent to our shoot is a farmer who puts down no birds but is instead parasitic upon the birds which we put down. Pheasants will try very many areas, especially in cold weather but, given this farmer is rude and abusive to us, how should we try to 'neutralise' his efforts to pinch our birds. I think his ethics, as a shooting man, stink but I don't want mine, in trying to solve this problem to sink to the same level as his. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprinter Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 I think his ethics, as a shooting man, stink but I don't want mine, in trying to solve this problem to sink to the same level as his. Any ideas? Well if you don't want to do anything "underground" :yp: :yp: All you can do is dog back hard away from his land and make sure all your feed stations are like the pheasant equivalent of The Hilton. However if your woods and covers are as bare as a badgers ball bag and his are thick and warm then there is ****** all you'll be able to do about it in this weather!! Unfortunately as he isn't buying any birds he can probably afford to put down more attractive feed than you can, but you'll only discover what is what by having a quick shufty in one of his feeders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Even the best shoots reckon on a loss of 15% across the boundary, not a problem if you have a neighbouring shoot as the quotient also applies to them in the opposite direction. The farmers ethics may well stink, but he is doing nothing wrong. All you can do is your best to ensure that the birds have little reason to wander. Food, water, cover, predation and grit, are the main reasons for birds going walkabout. Improve your habitat, ground cover in woods, and plant windbreaks in draughty woods. Hand fed straw rides in the woods, but away from release pens will assist in occupying the birds after they have fed in the morning. Alternative foods such as apples, plums, pears etc. collected from windfall are very useful and free. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 if he is feeding wild birds he is doing nothing wrong, anything else is a criminal act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 are you saying that pulling birds onto his land is a criminal act?.or do you mean by pouring diesel into his feeders? a very confused pegleg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 pouring diesel in his feeders, or sabotaging anything on his ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Feeding to entice your neighbours birds over the boundary is perfectly legal, even if the feed is resting right on his own side of the wire. It is however normally seen as being very rude and not quite playing fair. If diplomacy and reasonable requests for fair play fall on deaf or ignorant ears then your options are to improve the feed and habitat on your own side of the boundary or physically prevent the birds straying. Dogging in from first light on a day you know your neighbour intends to shoot can keep birds at home. Sewelling on the regular wandering hedges or across wood ends, stubble fields etc.from first light can prevent birds wandering off too. Make sure it only goes up after dark or it can stop birds coming back home too and take it down immediately it has done its job or birds just get used to it. Interesting feeds, especially small seeds like rape, dhari, small cut maize, small grain wheat and a little bit of aniseed such as is included in most holding mixes available, can help stop your birds being so keen to wander off. Even better if it is scattered in nice dry straw so they have to keep picking about for it. Anything anyone does across their boundary fence will be illegal to some extent, either in criminal or civil Law and filling hoppers up with diesel is criminal damage, very serious and likely to make the renewal of SGC/FAC a more interesting experience than it need be if anyone was to be caught, tried and found guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 it also works both ways with him being more liable to do it to your feeders, and then you realise who has most to loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Just keep dogging in, its all you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushpower Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 why not walk the borders day before he shoots, then just shoot the birds that are committed on leaving your shoot,good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snozzer Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Why not try putting some sewelling up on the boundary Sewelling Online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Why not try putting some sewelling up on the boundary Sewelling Online can you buy it by the mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 Legally you can do nothing about it at all. Tricks will diesel etc will land you in court if he is able to proove who did it, in these days of trail cams that is pretty easy, get convicted and you might be kissing your guns good by, There is a farmer next to me who usually has two 60 bird days on my birds and a shoot on his opposite side. I have heard he has released a few ex layers this year so maybe we are winning. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 always a cause of grief this, we have the same problem on our shoot, we even had our feeders dieselled to push more birds over the boundary onto their ground, and we are the ones who release !!! Worse case I have known of is a farm shoot which shoots every week through the season, good bags aswell, all from birds which come the next door. The shoot next door is entirely forestry, the farm is all arable, so the farmer puts in game crops and pulls the birds out. Just about impossible for the keeper to do anything except release more birds and take it on the chin. Not all farmers are saints, far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Try shooting the day before him. He'll be trying to shoot"educated" birds who will spook at the least noise. So rather than just dogging in, get the keeper to loose off a few dozen cartridges too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch valley Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Im afraid diesel is a dead give away the farmer will spot what you may have done straight away IF you decide to go down that rout you would be far better to spray the bottom of the feeders with anti chew which you can buy from most pet shops it is designed to stop puppys chewing your furniture. This works well im told. But if you want to stay on the wright side of the law and you have time try dogging in a bit more. And put straw rides down in the woods and hand feed on them try aniseed in your feeders. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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