rascal_2005 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 hiya guys me and a friend have been talking (not 100%) about renting land for the sporting rights. there would be a few of us involved. we would shoot fox,pigeon,crows,rabbits etc, but would hopfully put a few birds down our selfs even some duck if the land permitted. so i was just wondering: 1) if anyone on here has tryed it? 2)where to find the land for rent 3)is it worth it? any help would be great. thanks alot guys john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 you find the ground in the usual way, start door knocking with landowners and farmers, Its well worth it if you can run a decent syndicate but there is more to it than you would imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 is there any books for advice etc? john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 You will find that most land worth shooting is already shot over, especially just outside busy parts of the country. Anywhere else means travel. If you only want to shoot vermin and wild game its a little easier but remember there is not an endless supply of wild pheasants unless they are very well cared for and only shoot cocks. If you have never had anything to do with rearing birds can I suggest you start building up your knowledge now ready for July 2011. Its hard work, very expensive, makes you depressed but also very rewarding. You initial start up costs and time will be massive but you should plan to re-coup the costs over a few years unless all are willing to chip in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 i see what you are saying markm. i think it would be more along the lines of vermin at first before we were to put birds down. how you done it in the past then? john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 One of the magazines did a regular feature on a small shoot (diary style) I remember reading it a few times some info here: http://www.uklanddirectory.org.uk/diy-shoots.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Hi, It is possible to find the land. It is possible to agree the rent. It is possible to agree the location of a release pen and with a liitle graft excavate, or convert an exiting pond into, a flight pond. After three years this has been done and the fair rent that you agreed for the three year lease when you started due to your graft has doubled. "No problem", says the farmer, "if you don't want to renew I've had three offers above what I was going to charge you". Moral of the story is negotiate a lease of sufficient time to pay for your enyoyment plus the effort and expense that you put into it. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 i see what you are saying markm. i think it would be more along the lines of vermin at first before we were to put birds down. how you done it in the past then? john boy John I have shot since I was 9 years old with my dad but only serious in the last 15 years. First joined a couple of small syndicate and helped with the bird rearing. Better to do it than read any book and I'm sure there are people local to you (probably on here) who would love a hand. I then got the chance to take on my own shoot and the rest is history. I am more than willing to answer any questions you have as you go. Bird wise, the biggest problem is pheasants have a death wish from the moment they are born, they are more suicidal than lemmings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 mark i think the best way to go about this would be to lend a hand idealy, as i got a funny feeling it may not be as easy as i first thought. i think im going to have to get out and find some local shoots and badger the keepers slightly lol. cheers john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Wymberley...Ouch The hardest part is finding the land initially, luck and chance as always play a large part! We got ours when my brother was shooting some pigeons, we had not shot there for maybe ten years but the farmer knew us from when we went there ferreting as kids. At the end of the day my brother was putting his gear back in the car in the farmyard when the farmer mentioned that he had kicked off his game shooting syndicate and it went from there. I initially approached another syndicate I was in with a view to incorporating it into our shoot but they did not want to pay rent, any rent, so I took it on with my brother and love every minute of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 what sorts of prices are you looking at as an initial lay out? john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Wymberley...Ouch The hardest part is finding the land initially, luck and chance as always play a large part! We got ours when my brother was shooting some pigeons, we had not shot there for maybe ten years but the farmer knew us from when we went there ferreting as kids. At the end of the day my brother was putting his gear back in the car in the farmyard when the farmer mentioned that he had kicked off his game shooting syndicate and it went from there. I initially approached another syndicate I was in with a view to incorporating it into our shoot but they did not want to pay rent, any rent, so I took it on with my brother and love every minute of it. Hi, yep, agree entirely, but I just wanted to highlight a scenario that sadly is not an infrequent occurance. My father discovered that he was at school with the farmer's wife when he went to get pemission and that was that. I tagged along when returning home after RAF service. We soon cleared up the rabbit and pigeon and to the farmer's son's (who took over when his father retired) delight, the fox (free range laying hens). The young farmer was forever complaining that the two syndicates (part of "his" land was tennanted from the local estate who let the game rights separately) were useless and did no vermin control at all. Consequently he was well pleased when within a couple of weeks of each other both gave in their notice. So pleased in fact that he added the rights to his own tennancy and I now have the game in return for the vermin control. As you rightly say, luck and chance do play a role, but when necessary after having enjoyed both, a bit of wise negotiating doesn't go amiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 what sorts of prices are you looking at as an initial lay out? john boy On our syndicate we have been friends with the farmers for years so he doesn't charge us rent as he knows we will be keeping the vermin down. There are 4 of us this year and it has cost us £120 each to put down 120 birds and feed them. There were a few wild birds from previous years on the shoot but we will hope to achieve 50-60% return on our birds. This year we got the birds as day olds which helped keep the costs down slightly, whereas in the past we were getting them as 6 week old poults. Our shoot is a small friendly shoot and a lot of the enjoyment comes from the gamekeeping side as we all pitch in as much as we can. If you can get a syndicate up and running you won't regret it as you are guaranteed sport; however, I would advise that you only take on suitable ground for pheasants. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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