HW682 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Hi all, I am thinking of treating myself to a new PCP. I've had my 0.22 HW80 for 25+ years but fancy a change to a PCP. Having looked at a few past posts I thought that the S410 was the way to go because it gets good reviews and isn't too expensive. I have noticed the S510 seems to be not too different but hardly gets a mention, if at all. Could anyone explain the differences and any pro / cons of each one. From what what I can see the 410 is maybe a bit lighter? I went to look at a few in a dealers today and they had in stock a S410F superlight. Again, I haven't seen this get mentioned before. A look on t'interweb suggests that as well as being lighter it also has an improved trigger? When I bought my HW80 0.22 were real guns and .177 were "toys". Seems things have moved on a bit since then so I am probably going for a .177. Use will include rats around farmyards/stables etc where even the 410 Hushpower is a bit OTT and corvids out to sensible range (25-40yards max). Not likely to get used for rabbits in the foreseable future as shotguns/rimfires have mainly got that covered - but never say never. Cheers, HW682 PS the last paragraph is not meant to re-start the whole .177 vs .22 debate, but just give a bit of context to the use I am thinking of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I think the only difference is the S410 is a bolt-action rifle and the S510 is a sidelever cocking rifle. I got to say the S410 is one of the best PCP's ever made!!Fantastic rifle!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 funny enough i would prefer the 410 with the bolt.if it ain`t broke don`t fix it kind of attitude.up to you air arms are posibly the best value pcp out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I also prefer a nice bolt over a sidelever any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 ah but a side lever is mechanically superior over a bolt. anyone who's ever owned an s400 or s410 will not the horrible gutted feeling when you take what seems and easy shot at a pigeon or rabbit only to be greeted by a blast of air in your face and the quarry flying off unharmed with the the pellet dropping way before it reaches the quarry due to the lack of power. this is when the bolt isnt put down properly and can be easily flicked up by catching on a fence or you accidently flicking it up with a limb whilst stalking. with a side there is no chance of it accidently being flicked out of place. theoreticly the s510 is superior to the s410. in every other way the guns are equal though. the superlight is the same but has about 1lb shaved off it. the only improvement on the trigger is a small spring to stop it flicking around when th erifle isnt cocked. personally i dont like this as the loose trigger was a great indicator that the rifle was uncocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I think the only difference is the S410 is a bolt-action rifle and the S510 is a sidelever cocking rifle. I got to say the S410 is one of the best PCP's ever made!!Fantastic rifle!! I have owned a AA S410 .177 CLASSIC and it was better than i could ever have hoped,accurate to well beyond 40yrds ,to try and answer your questions i would say; 410,stiff bolt that you get used to,poor bluing so ALWAYS oil after use,heavy,would buy another tomorrow,oh and as for catching the bolt never happened to me. 510,didnt like the side lever,it looked as though i could brake it :yp: 410f,no idea,but if its just a lighter version go for it. .177 is faster/flatter trajectory so hits what you shoot at with enough power to down a rabbit at 60yrds head shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Whatever you choose either the S410 or S510, your going to get a quality rifle from a quality air-rifle maker in Air Arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Thanks for all the replies Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTsHoT-10 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I have an S400 super-lite and is very nice. The bolt is a little stiff but is very smooth and is easy to use, not a problem. The S510 has a shrouded barrel which in my opinion is not as quite as an S410 and mod so not much is gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olly321 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olly321 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 try again should of read i dont like the side lever action i prefer the bolt ,apart from that theres not to much difference bothe great guns which ever one you pick bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 You started with and liked the HW80, why not get the HW100 you wouldn't be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 The side lever might be superior to the bolt action in the case of the HW100, but not the S510. I've tried one and it is like a toy gun compared to the S410 or HW100. Best value for money IMO is the S410. Best PCP irrespective of cost IMO is the HW100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Side lever or Bolt preference is of course personal. BUT look on the airgun forums and how many threads do you see complaining "my bolts stiff" or "my bolt flies open when cocked"? The side lever 510 has been out quite a while now and I have not seen one complaint over it's mechanics. I liked my 410 but the bolt being stiff put me off. I now have a 510 and can't fault it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) You started with and liked the HW80, why not get the HW100 you wouldn't be disappointed. I'm sure I wouldn't be disappointed. I was leaning towards the S410 because it seems to get recommended over and over again as a good quality / good value for money rifle. The HW100 is the thick end of £200 more. Thanks for input from others as well. HW682 Edit to add: tried a new one at the weekend. Yes the bolt was a bit stiff, but I think I could cope with it. Also it doesn't have the greatest shot count in the world, and isn't regulated.... Edited January 16, 2011 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tMike Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 HW100S - I've had mine for a year now - silent and light - I can take out 4-6 woodies B4 the others get wise and fly away. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Thanks again for all the replies. In the end I went for a S410F Superlite Carbine in .177. No regrets so far. Took it out today for a couple of hours for the first time. The bolt isn't bad at all if you put your thumb on the side as suggested in the manual - I think this helps to make sure you pull it straight back rather than slightly to one side which would make it bind. HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTsHoT-10 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 The bolt on my S400 was stiff but is great now Why buy the hw100 when the S410 will do the same thing for less money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoTshoT-16 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 i bought the r-10 over the s410 and hw100 just because its regulated and walnut also get around 180-200 shots per fill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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