docholiday Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 when YOU have to your boy on the slab and THEY save his leg and his life you will not begrudge them one penny,if you want to have a go at overpaid ***** then look no further than solicotors,bankers,lots of cival servants,euro mp's,but a surgeon,who spends most of his life studying through school,training to be a doctor and whatever else they have to do,they have earnt it,don't make me , pick on a real wage rapist Thank you retomic, and its being able to do that kind of stuff that made us go into the job, I dont believe there is a Doctor I work with that believes the system is correct, we would all like to see it managed differently doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thank you retomic, and its being able to do that kind of stuff that made us go into the job, I dont believe there is a Doctor I work with that believes the system is correct, we would all like to see it managed differently doc Yup they earn it,my son has Oesteosarcoma,so you know how much trouble we are in,replaced r/knee and saved it after an nutropenic infection.stanmore's team are worth all they earn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 As with all things when it comes to incomes some have very strong feeling toward certain jobs incomes. Some say X job say a surgeon is worth ever penny they get paid,but think a footballer is over paid for what they do. What in your minds dictates a fair income in relation to the time of job . EG do you think a person working in esso petrol station on min wage is over paid or underpaid. Cheers OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 doctors, nurses, surgeons.....etc. These people sae lives. Firemen, policemen, soldiers...there is a long list. There are people doing jobs for less money than they get. I dont begrudge a surgeon 100k a week if he is transplanting hearts or re-attatching legs. Good on em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 As with all things when it comes to incomes some have very strong feeling toward certain jobs incomes. Some say X job say a surgeon is worth ever penny they get paid,but think a footballer is over paid for what they do. What in your minds dictates a fair income in relation to the time of job . EG do you think a person working in esso petrol station on min wage is over paid or underpaid. Cheers OTH OTH the cost to live in this country,EVERYONE is underpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thank you retomic, and its being able to do that kind of stuff that made us go into the job, I dont believe there is a Doctor I work with that believes the system is correct, we would all like to see it managed differently doc So I am right in thinking how pay in the NHS is paid and planned you think is incorrect . As a Doctor do you think your overpaid as in and would you take a pay cut for the greater good of the NHS along with others like director of NHS trusts. Cheers OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) No problem from me. In fact. Restrict footballers pay to £2000 a week and pay for more health professionals you're so wrong. The more they're paid, the more income tax they pay. I'd agree if they were paid by the taxpayer, but they're mostly paid by rich foreign investors. Edited January 13, 2011 by Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 So I am right in thinking how pay in the NHS is paid and planned you think is incorrect . As a Doctor do you think your overpaid as in and would you take a pay cut for the greater good of the NHS along with others like director of NHS trusts. Cheers OTH You may not believe it but last year my job title was changed and the job remained the same, I took a pay cut of one third my salary Do I think my training and ability is worth less per hour than I pay my garage for labour.. no should I earn as much as a lawyer. I wish I dont do any private work and work full time for the NHS so No is the answer I wouldnt take a pay cut because it would not be for the good of the NHS, I would be more interested in removing most of the managers and putting it back into the hands of the Doctors and Nurses. bit like the Fishing policy, I am sure that would be better run if done by fishermen doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 as usual people get it wrong its £200 four the four hours, but if you want to give me £2000 I will take it, i see you said you worked in local goverment, yup I can believe that doc I dont know you and the same applies in reverse. I am quoting from the BBC - maybe they are wrong but they did suggest that surgeons would and I quote " down tools if their remuneration was cut to £500 for a four hour period". Insults are cheap and whatever your profession it does not become you. Nor does self righteousness. The jibe about local government is typical. I am honours degree educated, a member of three professional institutions by examination and have an MSc. For a doctor you surprise me. Maybe you have a cure for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 you can have all the degrees you like doesnt make a bit of difference, I have collected a few over the years stand by what I said doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 When I look at what certain figures in society earn , I believe the Cardiologists I work with / for are well worth those sums . They are massively capable and hard working . The public in general does not see the extent of what they do . I am not one for toadying to Doctors but if my life were to be in the balance I would not want them to be worrying about paying a gas bill . I want them to drive a nice car , school their kids well and come back well rested from a nice exotic holiday . They are not filthy rich in the main and have earned it without kicking a ball , singing a song or having their knockers inflated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 When I look at what certain figures in society earn , I believe the Cardiologists I work with / for are well worth those sums . They are massively capable and hard working . The public in general does not see the extent of what they do . I am not one for toadying to Doctors but if my life were to be in the balance I would not want them to be worrying about paying a gas bill . I want them to drive a nice car , school their kids well and come back well rested from a nice exotic holiday . They are not filthy rich in the main and have earned it without kicking a ball , singing a song or having their knockers inflated . lol money is a very emotive subject, and difficult to justify, I dont like it when the garage is charging more than I earn per hour, and i am sure many dont like it that Doctors earn very good money, there you go enough for me, wish you all good health because by and large money doesnt mean a thing if you are ill doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Try and spend at least 14 years training to become a surgeon, paying over £3000 each year AFTER you graduate from university in professional body fees, insurance and exams, spend each day dealing with human beings on your operating table knowing that often their life is dependant on how well and how quickly you do your job, add to that idiotic NHS managers who -without having the slightest idea what they are talking about- demand that you work faster and save more money (so they can then claim this as their success and therefore get paid MASSIVE bonuses)when you do single handed the job that was initially designed for you and a colleague of yours and then tell me if surgeons and medics are overpaid. Medics are overworked and underpaid, I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) I bet none of the critics here would cheekily ask a surgeon whilst they were operating on their brain if he or she was only in that evening to get a few extra quid It's easy to point the finger of blame, but finding yourself in a situation where you need one of these people, you'll not complain. Especially if it's life threatening and the fact that you're in theatre then is due to the fact that half the team were on overtime. Edited January 13, 2011 by Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Surgeons sure are worth the money. The years of training to detail and all of there own money to be a surgeon. And to know that its there good work and attention that saves many lives. As somebody said before if your laying on a bed dieing are you really going to care how much the surgeon getting paid? Just confused here now though where did they get the?1000 for four hours from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Surgeons, doctors, consultants are worth every penny. So is a qualified vehicle mechanic....who fixes broken ambulances? Not the Dr is it :blink: My son has Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy, which has no cure, ask the Doc. Money isn't everything is it? I do think the way the NHS money pot is shared out needs looking at, the front line staff who I see a lot of, deserve a lot more than they currently get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Just confused here now though where did they get the?1000 for four hours from? some moaning **** with an axe to grind made that bit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) I think members of the medical profession deserve to be paid very well. However for senior staff, and I include consultants in that, I am not sure overtime is the best way of making them well paid. Perhaps a good base salary and 'performance' bonus (and I don't mean a simple metrics based measure that is open to abuse). I am sure there are good consultants who work very hard and bad conultants who do the minimum they can and 'play the system'. The former deserve to be paid very well and a lot more than the later. Just paying per hour doesn't differentiate. That said I don't have an answer as to how to do it to make sure the good get paid more than the bad/lazy. Edited January 14, 2011 by AVB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 this thread is a crock of ****. If they paid surgeons 5k for an extra 4 hours, then good. people saving others deserve ten times what they get. simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 They are not filthy rich in the main and have earned it without kicking a ball , singing a song or having their knockers inflated . That's the nub of it really but I would add to that list "or wrecking the world's economy". It's all a media distraction. Isn't it strange that this story broke in the week that the City annual bonuses are being dished out and ought to be back in the spotlight. I don't subscribe to the "they save lives and so should be paid whatever they like" but I do subscribe to the "they have put themselves through 10 years of privately funded higher / further education and vocational training" so bloody good luck to them in getting paid the most they can - they have earned it. Indeed, if it was that easy, everyone would, could and should be doing it.... If you are jealous, upset or outraged then I suspect you should have paid more attention in school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) I dont understand the comments made by Mungler under should have paid more attention at school. When will members of the public notice that we need all types of education standards to fill all the diffrent types of work in the UK. For me a surgeon is no more important than a dustbin collector what I cant understand is how others think you can live on the min wage . Yet think its OK for a surgeon to earn more in four hours than a girl serving behind the counter at a esso petrol station does in two weeks, Some may think I am strange but £1000 for four hours work is alot of cash be it that you suffer hardships in your early education to gain . And let be frank most doctors come from the better off family in the UK so is this hardship as hard as they claim I am not so sure. Kind regards OTH Edited January 14, 2011 by Over the hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 It's called free market economics and it's all about supply and demand. We don't live in a Utopia where everyone is equal. They tried that in Russia, it's called socialism and it doesn't work; everyone was equal, but some were more equal than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I think what Mungler means is if you are jealous (as you quite obviously are) of what surgeons earn then YOU should have paid more attention at school. I did OK at school, I then left at 16 and got a job. I then went back into higher education and got several C & G qualifications and now do a job that I always wanted to do when I was at school. Perhaps if I had paid more attention at school and gone on to do A levels etc then I would have got here quicker. However I would not have the practical skills that I have, so it is swings and roundabouts. I am not jealous in the slightest of what other people earn, it is their chosen profession and they have trained for it. So fair play to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 It's called free market economics and it's all about supply and demand. We don't live in a Utopia where everyone is equal. They tried that in Russia, it's called socialism and it doesn't work; everyone was equal, but some were more equal than others. Agree Mungs you cant compare the work a surgeon does to a till girl/boy. But is a surgeon worth roughly £950 more over four hours overtime than the nat wage earner I think not. Cheers OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I hope you never need a surgeon OTH, because you certainly don't deserve one. Of course they are worth that sort of money. They also get £920 more than I do over the same 4 hours yet I don't save peoples lives by either putting them back together or removing parts that will do them harm. I suppose you think you should be earning that sort of money for cutting a branch off a tree or shooting a pigeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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