HDAV Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 And oddly that is still how it works in many places....... Just not those with MP's in Westminster !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Yeah but what if the next Thomas Hamilton was to pop up on Pigeon Watch Mung I think they probably have or will I wince when I see some posts, I try to steer people in the right direction but once they have been granted a cert they have..... Airguns worry me more especially the "how do I get more power" threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't see handguns ever being re legalized in the U.K. You may not like it, but your country in general is so rabidly anti gun even a debate on the subject wouldn't see the light of day. I know as an American my opinion doesn't mean much, but the ban should be rescinded not only on handguns, but also on semi-auto rifles. It hasn't done anything to enhance public safety and has only hurt law abiding gun owners. I hope anyone on here who finds handguns and semi-auto rifles offensive doesn't try to step foot on an American gun range or at an American shooting club, because you'd probably have a heart attack. That's pretty much all we use here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I think the difference with the states is that pretty much everyone is allowed a handgun or a rifle and guns and ammo can be bought at average supermarkets - there's very little in the way of vetting, licensing or legal restrictions. And it's always been that way (and is in part enshrined in their written constitution). Accordingly, when someone goes tonto and on a shooting spree there is no after the event 'blame'. There's no real licensing process that can be said to failed. It's not like someone got hold of something they shouldn't have - that's because pretty much anyone and everyone can have whatever gun they want. In the UK it's different because we are vetted, licensed and a great deal of store is put in that process as making that process 'safer' than just letting everyone have what they want. The licensing system certainly has not worked - leaving aside the 7/7 bombings the next highest fatalities have been caused by "firearms license holders". Yep, those law obiding citizens that have passed interpol checks, had references taken up, had their doctor's written to.... and it's failed. There is no chance the UK will go the other way of "hey we can't properly license these so we might as well let everyone have one and see where the chips fall". Nope, the licensing system now will just have the screw tightened on it. I'm not debating the rights and wrongs, but where handguns are now banned (rightly or wrongly) and it's obvious they ain't coming back. In those circumstances looking for spurious loopholes to get a handgun or to keep insisting that handguns might be coming back; well that's just a bit potty. It's over. They're gone. You can't have one. Get over it. Edited February 25, 2011 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Sorry but they are not gone and of course you can still have one (or even several) and not for Humane Despatch. Long Barrel Pistols are still legal and apart from being very over-priced are quite popular, and of course there's those that are available on Section 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCD Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Sorry but they are not gone and of course you can still have one (or even several) and not for Humane Despatch. Long Barrel Pistols are still legal and apart from being very over-priced are quite popular, and of course there's those that are available on Section 5. Lbr's are not handguns never have been never will be in the truest sense if the barrel is 12" or over it is just a rifle with a short stock. can you give a list of exceptions for the ownership of section 5 handguns and explain their usefulness in the real world I.e competition etc. I suppose sect 7 handguns are available but again they are really not what I would want simple fact is I want to shoot pp/polp if I am to have a handgun for sport but that is gone never to return. As for HD pistols even though I have 2 it is like only being allowed 1 litre of petrol and owning a Ferrari you would love to show your mates,even take it for a spin but the fact that you can only use it in a limited way leaves you disappointed when all you can do is stay at home and polish it and not take it for a thrash. Edited February 25, 2011 by OCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Think I read a post on here where someone said that there are now more licensed handguns in legal circulation than prior to the 1997 ban,or more licensed handgun owners now than before the ban.Is this right?I know it's not handgunning as we use to know it,PP etc,but there's still sect'5 'collecting with occasional firing' but this latter will seriously inhibit the amount of ammo you can hold. Although I'm no longer a member,the pistol club less than an hour away from me is still going strong,but they're no longer allowed to shoot at Warcop so some of them also trek over to the Isle of Man on aregular basis(less than an hour to the ferry).They seem pretty upbeat about less than perfect circumstances,but one of the 'Nationals' that use to shoot at Warcop isn't happy having to travel to Bisley and sometimes Mainland europe to shoot with his pistols.Barmy set of circumstances really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Think I read a post on here where someone said that there are now more licensed handguns in legal circulation than prior to the 1997 ban,or more licensed handgun owners now than before the ban.Is this right?I know it's not handgunning as we use to know it,PP etc,but there's still sect'5 'collecting with occasional firing' but this latter will seriously inhibit the amount of ammo you can hold. Although I'm no longer a member,the pistol club less than an hour away from me is still going strong,but they're no longer allowed to shoot at Warcop so some of them also trek over to the Isle of Man on aregular basis(less than an hour to the ferry).They seem pretty upbeat about less than perfect circumstances,but one of the 'Nationals' that use to shoot at Warcop isn't happy having to travel to Bisley and sometimes Mainland europe to shoot with his pistols.Barmy set of circumstances really. Scully... I think you have misunderstood the law here.... Unless there is something someone isn't telling me about... There is no pistol shooting at Bisley... IOM, and NI don't have handgun bans so shooting and ownership there is fine. Historical handguns that use obsolete calibres are available... because, technically, you can't get any ammunition for them, you are not allowed to fire them... period... Section 7 handguns of historical importance can be had but with these, there tends to be a very strict limit as to their use on the range (enough to maintain them in working order only) and they can only be used and have to remain in a section 7 facility... There aren't that many section 7 facilities around, one I know of is at Durham. The section 5 grants and handuns therefore in circulation are either for humane dispatch (there is absolutely no other 'good reason' any longer to have one) or for personal protection but unless you are a high ranking dignatory, foreign ambassador or someone the government sees fit to protect in this way because their life may be in danger (e.g. ex police who infiltrated and took down powerful crime bosses etc...and will therefore always have a price on their heads) you ain't going to be granted one... Let it go... it's not worth the energy typing about it anymore. At the end of the day, you can have almost as much fun with a rifle (albeit in a different sort of way) and if you want a little more adrenaline, try practical shotgun and then for a real buzz (I kid you not... it's a great laugh, very fast and realistic) try CQB games with either paintball or airsoft handguns. Paintball is more realistic... I have a Sig P226 replica that has a 10 shot magazine, fires .43 cal paint balls and is good to about 15 metres then accuracy becomes a real issue, hurts like hell if you 'lose' the match. It uses co2 cartridges has real blowback and is 1:1 size, weight. It may not be a 'real' gun but does it matter? I can shoot out to 1000yds or hunt deer or shoot clays/pigeons/phesant etc. with my 'real' guns... for handguns... using the replicas is actually probably more fun than shooting a piece of cardboard with the real thing..... and I would know... I had a beautiful beretta 92! It does concern me why, when one can enjoy (almost more than the real thing) the same buzz out of shooting a replica handgun, someone would be kicking and screaming to be able to own the real thing... It stinks of ulterior motive. If I want to shoot at 1000yds, there is no alternative to my real gun, If I want to Stalk, there is no alternative... etc.. etc... If I want to shoot PP/PolP... there really is an alternative! Edited February 25, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 And If people are trying to call things as they see them then As far as I can tell and in MY opinion There is 1. A Member of the G.C.N on here trying to cause trouble or get one of us to say something they can use. 2. a Member of the press trying to do the above 3. Police firearms unit doing the same 4. or just some sad trouble maker! Remember some of us are interested in how the law works thats pretty much it-If it wasn't for that doubt I would have my SPAS 12 I was always told they were section 5 then I checked the law and found you could own Sec1 and sec2 versions. blimey you're a paranoid chap, do you have this paranoia with any other aspects of life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) And If people are trying to call things as they see them then As far as I can tell and in MY opinion There is 1. A Member of the G.C.N on here trying to cause trouble or get one of us to say something they can use. 2. a Member of the press trying to do the above 3. Police firearms unit doing the same 4. or just some sad trouble maker! :o Edited February 25, 2011 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 And If people are trying to call things as they see them then As far as I can tell and in MY opinion There is 1. A Member of the G.C.N on here trying to cause trouble or get one of us to say something they can use. 2. a Member of the press trying to do the above 3. Police firearms unit doing the same 4. or just some sad trouble maker! I'd be fascinated to hear who these imposters are. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I thought this thread was (more or less) quite a rationale discussion with minimal name calling which is why it's not been slammed shut. I might have formed and suggested a personal opinion of "delusional / potty" so I think it only fair I take the suggestions put forward as to my provenance on the chin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I did smirk at the asking of New Zealand customs their views on spas's now if that doesn't get you on the right watch list I don't know what will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I did smirk at the asking of New Zealand customs their views on spas's now if that doesn't get you on the right watch list I don't know what will Edited February 25, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I can see the vultures circling and I am already chuckling.... It was a good thread, we all had our say and I would like to thank the participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Masterzone... I am genuinely intrigued as to you age??? Your posts sound like the babblings of some (early) adolescent kid who has been fed too many Hollywood action movies. This really isn't intended to insult... I really am interested... come on... how old are you? Edited February 25, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Masterzone... I am genuinely intrigued as to you age??? No idea of age, but I have built up a mental picture.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Talking of him.... I wonder..... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1337685_jail_for_man_who_ordered_gun_parts_over_internet or http://news.stv.tv/scotland/east-central/73183-gun-nut-spent-20000-on-weapons-using-his-mums-credit-card/ Edited February 25, 2011 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't have a problem 'letting it go' Vipa,if handgun shooting(as we knew it)were introduced again tomorrow it would be fine,but i wouldn't be taking part.I'm more than happy with the ones I have. I travel to the IOM regularly,but I'm just not that interested anymore. It looks like I've been misled re' Bisley,I was under the impression 'historic/classic pistol' events still took place there. liked the photo' poontang posted,reminded me of someone.Was considering selling one of my sect'1 shotguns,but if mungler turns out to be correct about them being banned,think I'll hang on to them for the compo'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I don't have a problem 'letting it go' Vipa,if handgun shooting(as we knew it)were introduced again tomorrow it would be fine,but i wouldn't be taking part.I'm more than happy with the ones I have. I travel to the IOM regularly,but I'm just not that interested anymore. It looks like I've been misled re' Bisley,I was under the impression 'historic/classic pistol' events still took place there. liked the photo' poontang posted,reminded me of someone.Was considering selling one of my sect'1 shotguns,but if mungler turns out to be correct about them being banned,think I'll hang on to them for the compo'. Could be black powder & muzzle loading pistol... that's still ok Scully... an appology too.. only the first couple of sentences of that post were a response to you re historic/sec 7 etc and sec 5 handouts. The rest of it wasn't aimed at you in any way shape or form Edited February 25, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Could be black powder & muzzle loading pistol... that's still ok Scully... an appology too.. only the first couple of sentences of that post were a response to you re historic/sec 7 etc and sec 5 handouts. The rest of it wasn't aimed at you in any way shape or form Many thanks Vipa,no need for the apology,and thanks for putting me right re' sect'5and 7.May well be blackpowder at Bisley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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