jonesbach Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Went out last night after mr charlie. Had a few lamp shy ones to deal with so felt lucky with last nights weather being suitable. Lamped 3 fields before I came across number one! He was sat on top of the hedge(his usual trick)just watching my every step. Walked back behind the hedge and gave a little squeak. Didnt take much before he came down into the field and presented himself nicely for a chest shot with a decent backstop. 1 down, 1 to go..! About 3/4 hour later (and a few bunnies to the .22..) got the second one in the lamp. Red fliter on, keeping him in just enough light. Walked with the hedge until I was happy with backstop and then got the mono-pod ready. By now he was laying facing away from me allowing a shot to the back of his head/neck. opted for the neck shot. After shooting him, up he got an scampered to and through the hedge..gone! Didnt spend too much time searching as it was already 2am 'ish'..! Anyone else had many runners shooting with .223 using PRVI ammo?! read in R.B's book that he's had some run up to 250yrds......!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 a foxes neck is bloody thin from behind is you skinned it - you probably just went through fur and missed the flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) yep as NB says if you hit it then there is a small area that will stop it dead, and more likely with Vmax rounds than I guess soft points. Keep the shots to the boiler room is the best idea then if they run they don't go far Edited January 27, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 ah ******! maybe should have gone for head then! couldnt see any of the boiler room only head and neck. learn from my mistakes eh! wonder if he'll stay for round 2 on the w-end!? Thanks NB and al4x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytim38 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 stopped using privis because they dont expand well, just pass through, always use v max tips on charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 think its time to pull the hornady ballistic tips out the safe then. next batch to purchase will be v-max! although this was the first i've had run like this using PRVI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 it might not have helped, soft points need a bit more to hit to expand whereas with neck shots there isn't much to get them to expand. Fine if you hit the spine but otherwise they will run, wait till you have a boiler room shot and you will be fine with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i can honestly say i have not had a runner as of yet iv had them kicking about but no runs. and i allways use privi i get on with them fine at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i'm sure they'll be fine, just don't try for a neck shot - stick it between the eyes or in the boiler room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 ....... then got the mono-pod ready. Not having a pop but I think that this is also relevant. A mono-pod will only vary your shot to left and right of the target, so as above, you will have clipped the neck either side. Bag or a bipod and Robert would be your Mothers brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i hadn't even picked up on that, you're quite right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i know..guilty as charged! normally just take free standing shots with my rimfire, mastered the art after years of airgunning. the .223 is a little front heavy so not quite as easy hence the monopod. not doing too badly with it but it didnt help with this particular fox. need to get a bipod/tripod stick next i think. not a fan of the bipod on the gun..added weight again. wont be taking any more neck shots though. :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 stopped using privis because they dont expand well, just pass through, always use v max tips on charlie. I must add that I've used PRVI's in 22-250 and 243 on fox, and they make a hell of a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 talk of balistictips and softpoints is irrelivent IMO this is a placement issue though neither has great relivece to actual fragmentation which has more to do with other bullet constuction issues (like jacketing) - always go for high percentage shots, high neck shot standing on a lamped fox are not what i call high percentage better to wait for a better chance or leave it. Disapointed you saw 2am as a reason to not follow up longer, although high neck runners on deer with trained dogs has a terrible recovery rate even worse than front leg wounds so your chances were slim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 talk of balistictips and softpoints is irrelivent IMO this is a placement issue though neither has great relivece to actual fragmentation which has more to do with other bullet constuction issues (like jacketing) - always go for high percentage shots, high neck shot standing on a lamped fox are not what i call high percentage better to wait for a better chance or leave it. Disapointed you saw 2am as a reason to not follow up longer, although high neck runners on deer with trained dogs has a terrible recovery rate even worse than front leg wounds so your chances were slim Seems we are pretty much in agreement on something. I feel suggestions of PRVI ammo being an issue are unfounded (unles your rifle just doesn't like them), I haven't had any problems stopping the fox with my .223 SP 55g PRVI! There are lots of different types of ammo and they all have different uses, but if you hit a fox anywhere close to the right place, with pretty much any type of .223, it will fall down! Just one of those shots I suggest, unfortunately none of us are perfect..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Nice to see a open, honest and walt free discussion on here for once. The OP has fessed up to a mistake and received good, constructive advice without too much in the way of pointless blamestorming. Long may it continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 thanks for all replies guys. it was an honest post, and i was glad to get constructive replies rather than people just having a dig. update... farmer phoned me this morning to tell me he'd found the runner in a field under where id shot him..his jack had taken interest in something in a ditch. Surprised he'd gone that far but will know in future not to take the same shot again, either head or bolier room from now on! live and learn eh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 maybe, if it was dead just a field away then it happens to the best. I had one do that trailing most of its intestines on the floor. The dog found it easily but it was daylight. How they do it at times is beyond me, your one wasn't an issue its not like its walking round injured days later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 hey its a constant ongoing learning process, nobody gets 100 out of 100 dead on spot, i wounded one the other month with the shotgun without my dog present in the process of cursing myself for educating that fox to the lamp by missing after a 40min plus search of a fairly open field i heard a small yelp after this unsucssfull foot follow up. walking towards the noise i found the fox bled out and dead from an artiliary bleed, it hard finding stuff at night but we do owe it to our quarry to do all we can. A dog makes good far quicker by use of its nose, that night i was in clean clothes and shoes and didn't want to bring him along as he always wants to carry on and i knew it was a ten minute excursion for a sighted fox comming down the track from an evening out with the wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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