falconer1975 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I am after some advice on buying a good set of scopes and mounts for an air arms s400, i would be using them for hunting and indoor target and maybe some 50meter target as well. I am on a budget so you need to bear this in mind. Could you also give me the reasons why you have made your suggestion, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Take a look at the HAWKE range of scopes. Excellent value for money. I have used them (especially the Endurance models) from 22LR up to .243 caliber. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 The problem here is that most people will suggest the scope they have, and there are a lot of different scopes. Scopes also get very personal, and people favour different magnifications and different reticles even at air rifle distances. For a budget, as Steve said, then Hawke are good, so too are Nikko Sterling, Leapers, etc etc etc, and don't discout JSR scopes (Leapers branded generally). I have several and to be honest I think the glass is excellent for the money, build quality lets them down a bit, but they are very competatively priced! Good luck with your search, try and look through as many as possible before you invest, the various Game/Shooting Fairs are quite good for this generally. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoTshoT-16 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 i got a nikko stirling 4-16x44 ao scope with hawke 1" raiser mounts on my BSA R-10 my mate has the same scope on his s400 and works fine good clear scope, good value for money i have the mil-dot reticle (easier for distance shooting ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconer1975 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I have used ags on my mk1 lightening and hawke on my bsa tactical, both had mil dot cross hairs and it does make it better for distance, but what are these IR models about??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I have used ags on my mk1 lightening and hawke on my bsa tactical, both had mil dot cross hairs and it does make it better for distance, but what are these IR models about Good question, I have a couple and found them no use whatsoever, others will disagree, such is life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hawke scopes have nice clear optics, as said, but I'd steer clear of all cheaper scopes as you will end up replacing them with better ones when they let you down - buy cheap = buy twice. Go for a decent secondhand scope if you can. Also, go to a gun shop and try lots and see what you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconer1975 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hawke scopes have nice clear optics, as said, but I'd steer clear of all cheaper scopes as you will end up replacing them with better ones when they let you down - buy cheap = buy twice. Go for a decent secondhand scope if you can. Also, go to a gun shop and try lots and see what you like. If i was to go for a second hand set what should i be looking for and how much should i be looking to pay?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 It depends on your budget, obviously top end scopes like Schmidt and Bender, Leupold, Swarovski, Nikon etc would be fantastic but very expensive. Just have a look out for second hand scopes for sale and check online for reviews, I did that and found some mid range scopes were not very well rated and some that were respected by the majority of reviewers. I ended up with a Bushnell with a retail price of £165 (so a low/mid range scope) and I got that for around £40 posted. I'm very happy with it, although I couldn't afford a larger objective lens, it is a massive improvement on the Hawke scope I bought new for £50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albion Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I have Hawke, Nikko and Simmons scopes. Of the three the Simmons Whitetail is the clearest, with the Nikko coming a very close second. Whatever make you chose you should look for AO or paralax adjustment. Consider whether you want mildots to assist with holdover/windage. Bear in mind that a larger objective lens will let in more light at high magnifications but will also add considerable weight to the rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 First of all what is your budget?No-one has mentioned Bushnell scopes yet as IMO are too a quality make of scopes!I also recommend MTC, Simmons,Nikko Sterling and Falcon range of scopes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconer1975 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 First of all what is your budget?No-one has mentioned Bushnell scopes yet as IMO are too a quality make of scopes!I also recommend MTC, Simmons,Nikko Sterling and Falcon range of scopes! My budget could just about manage about 80 quid for a scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 You could pick up a secondhand Simmons Whitetail Classic scope or go for a new Hawke Endurance scope-both I would recommend.Out of the 2 that I have mentioned though I'd go for the Simmons,that's my own preferance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconer1975 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Have any of you used these?? they sound spot on and a very good price at just under 70 quid Simmons ProSport You won't find a rifle or shotgun scope loaded with more features per pound than ProSport from Simmons®. The fully coated optics yield bright, sharp images while our QTA (Quick Target Acquisition) eyepiece provides at least 3.75 inches of eye relief. Rugged durability is also a large part of the ProSport equation our TrueZero windage and elevation adjustment system and one-piece, aircraft-quality aluminum tube construction make the ProSport ready for any hunt. Plus, our SureGrip rubber surfaces on the eyepiece and adjustments make the ProSport one of the easiest scopes to adjust in any weather. For innovation, dependability and value, no other riflescope packs it in like ProSport. Fully coated optics for the brightest and sharpest image in its class Exclusive TrueZero fingertip windage and elevation adjustment system stays locked to zero under any and all conditions QTA (Quick Target Acquisition) eyepiece with Fast Focus Easy-to-adjust SureGrip rubber surfaces on all eye pieces and adjustment surfaces 50mm objective for ultra light gathering power Waterproof, fogproof and recoilproof NEW SIMMONS Pro Sport 4-12x50 AO PX Rifle Scope Sight AMAZING VALUE - Geniune UK Imports with warranty - NOT CHINESE FAKES! Simmons Part No. 510490 Tube Size: 1" Weight: 460grams Length: 310mm Mounts: No mounts supplied. Reticle: Standard 30 30 Crosshair. PX Adjustment: Front parrallax adjustable. Minimum Focus (On Full Magnification): approx. 10 metres. Lens Covers Supplied: Elasticated Caps. Turrets: Finger adjustable turrets under caps. See Through Flip Up Lens Covers (Sold Separately): Eyepiece Lens Order Size:3 Objective Lens Order Size:9 CLICK HERE to search our shop for these covers Scope Jacket (Sold Separately) Size:11 CLICK HERE to Search our shop for this scope jacket All Simmons models offer quality optics and superb value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 As a thought, why not look at some of the second-hand ones that come up in the "Other Sales" section on here. I saved significantly against the new price when I bought my preferred scope this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconer1975 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 As a thought, why not look at some of the second-hand ones that come up in the "Other Sales" section on here. I saved significantly against the new price when I bought my preferred scope this way I have looked, and they are either to dear or totally not what i am after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 from experience dont skimp on the mounts they may all do the same thing but you can tell the quality one's dont jump everywhere (springers) dont know how this works on pcp but still quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Popper Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Can you get a decent first-hand airgun-scope and mounts for under £100, that's suitable for hunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit.slayer.no.1 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Can you get a decent first-hand airgun-scope and mounts for under £100, that's suitable for hunting? that answer is easy NO :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Popper Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 that answer is easy NO :lol: :lol: Wow, I had no idea that glassware could be so dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Quality of scope also depends on whether you are a 'clicker' or a hold over/under shooter. If you want to click to keep the cross hairs on, then you need to spend a fair bit more on a good repeatable scope then if you just hold over/under. I've got a £300 and a £230 scope. And I would not trust these to be completely repeatable. I've always considered half the value of the rifle minimum should be spent on the glass. Plenty people use less exspensive glass with good effect, but spend more and the quality/clarity are worlds apart. A bit like driving a Ford for years and the splashing out and buying a BMW. You wonder how the hell you put up with the Ford...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Popper Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Quality of scope also depends on whether you are a 'clicker' or a hold over/under shooter. If you want to click to keep the cross hairs on, then you need to spend a fair bit more on a good repeatable scope then if you just hold over/under. I've got a £300 and a £230 scope. And I would not trust these to be completely repeatable. I've always considered half the value of the rifle minimum should be spent on the glass. Plenty people use less exspensive glass with good effect, but spend more and the quality/clarity are worlds apart. A bit like driving a Ford for years and the splashing out and buying a BMW. You wonder how the hell you put up with the Ford...... I've never seen the point in recalibrating your scope prior to every shot, I thought that was what mil-dots were for? Also I know what you're talking about first hand there mate. My dad drove an old silver Ford Escort for as long as I can remember, then a couple of years it died on him and was worth less than the repair cost. So he bought himself a BMW 1 series - what a contrast! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Can you get a decent first-hand airgun-scope and mounts for under £100, that's suitable for hunting? It depends on your definition of decent, quality costs, but you can easily find a perfectly adequate scope and mounts for £100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconer1975 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Latest update, I got a set of tasco scope they are 6-24x50 aoe and mounted them with pro mount pro 8 mounts and took it down to the club tonight to zero it. Set a Target at 20 yards to start with and set the rifle on a bench rest and took a shot, the pellet never even hit the card, so I raised the elevation up a fair way and just hit the bottom of the target, the long and short of it us I can not raise it any more to zero the scope. Any advise anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I can not raise it any more to zero the scope. Any advise anyone. Insert some thin shim (sheet brass, aluminium, old photo-negative - whatever you have that won't rust) between the bottom of the back mount and the sight, which should adjust the sight to within the range of the screw adjustment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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