ste eibar Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 my firearm certificate says i can shoot on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot what i need to know realy is will i be able to shoot on a mates permission? or will i need to contact firearms officer first ? this is for rabbits with my .17hmr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 my firearm certificate says i can shoot on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot what i need to know realy is will i be able to shoot on a mates permission? or will i need to contact firearms officer first ? this is for rabbits with my .17hmr. if land is cleared for what you want to shoot and you have permission its fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 phone your firearms dept. if there is any shadow of doubt if your mate shoots there on an open certificate it aint good enough the cops will have to have it on file for you to shoot there legaly, remember if the file don't exist any more then you can't till they say its cleared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You need to get a permission slip filled in & signed by the landowner then send it into your FLO, once they have cleared the land and contacted you with the Ok your good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You must ring your feo personaly and ask if its cleared and if so,up to what calibre and any restrictions etc,then make sure your mate has written permission to be there.I would still google it to see the lay out and safe shots and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You need to get a permission slip filled in & signed by the landowner then send it into your FLO, once they have cleared the land and contacted you with the Ok your good to go Wrong you do not need a permission slip, there is no where in the guide lines that says you have to have written permission.... :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You need to get a permission slip filled in & signed by the landowner then send it into your FLO, once they have cleared the land and contacted you with the Ok your good to go Are you sure about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You must ring your feo personaly and ask if its cleared and if so,up to what calibre and any restrictions etc,then make sure your mate has written permission to be there.I would still google it to see the lay out and safe shots and so on. Gosh i sure can't judge safety based on google earth myself, can only do this with a walkabout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Gosh i sure can't judge safety based on google earth myself, can only do this with a walkabout No ,i meant it would show or may show who or whats ajacent to the land,have used this method to gain a bearing of which way i can shoot when in some lage woods as i can only shoot fac in one direction and without google it would have been a lot harder to ascertain the right direction 100%,and i would always get a map off google if the land owner hasnt given me a map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You must ring your feo personaly and ask if its cleared and if so,up to what calibre and any restrictions etc,then make sure your mate has written permission to be there.I would still google it to see the lay out and safe shots and so on. would like to see where this bit is in the guidance please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Ring your flo with the address for the land. If he says its cleared and the landowner gives you the nod or your mate is allowed to take guests then go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 my mate is cleared up to 243 on this land. i,ve been lamping for him a few times. he,s got writen permisson but i havent yet. thanks for the replys so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 if your mate has the land cleared and he has permission to take you then all is fine, just go along and enjoy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 would like to see where this bit is in the guidance please. I read as 'the owner or person instructed by the owner' or however its worded.....and then as i always have every bit of work i do 'instructed in writing' i carried this on as it proves to anyone challenging me that i have a right to be shooting on what ever parcel of land i am on and avoids me being held under armed tresspass/armed response not pointing their guns at me to long and avoids me being hauled off to the nick whilst they sort it out and my guns being confiscated and chucked in a cupboard the me trying to get them back. To prove competance/ownership/legal access/h&s/boundries and insurance,its all in writing in a file that i always have with me,once a contracts manager always a contracts manager,i never take anyones word for it or assume anything unless its in writing. Over the top,or just ready incase its needed,its up to the individual to decide what they could do without Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) V8 90, on 07 February 2011 - 09:02 PM, said: You need to get a permission slip filled in & signed by the landowner then send it into your FLO, once they have cleared the land and contacted you with the Ok your good to go Wrong you do not need a permission slip, there is no where in the guide lines that says you have to have written permission.... think he meant a document 4 if the land is new and he isnt sure if cleared for calibre he wanted to shoot there. nothing wrong with filling in a doc 4 and handing it in..the more youo do, the better chance of an open licence(well, in my area anyhow!!!) Edited February 8, 2011 by jonesbach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostrea Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Last thing my FEO told me when applying for my firearms was never take anyone's word that land has been cleared always phone the office with address and postcode and they will tell me over the phone if land is cleared and for what caliber. Not worth taking a chance pain in the back side as i have just had permission on a farm now that has fox problem but land not cleared so ill have to take a mate with a open ticket till i get land cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Last thing my FEO told me when applying for my firearms was never take anyone's word that land has been cleared always phone the office with address and postcode and they will tell me over the phone if land is cleared and for what caliber. Not worth taking a chance pain in the back side as i have just had permission on a farm now that has fox problem but land not cleared so ill have to take a mate with a open ticket till i get land cleared. just goes to show how forces are different i phoned my feo to ask them about some land and was told i dont need to phone them each time just ask the land owner if its cleared just phone them if owner dont know colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Last thing my FEO told me when applying for my firearms was never take anyone's word that land has been cleared always phone the office with address and postcode and they will tell me over the phone if land is cleared and for what caliber. Not worth taking a chance pain in the back side as i have just had permission on a farm now that has fox problem but land not cleared so ill have to take a mate with a open ticket till i get land cleared. I phoned Northants on behalf of my shooting partner who is with Warks to enquire what a new bit of permission was cleared for as he is on a closed condition. I told the lady on the other end of the phone who i am and gave my FAC number and the address and location of the land. The first thing that was asked is what calibres does he want to shoot on the land? i said thats what i want to find out from you. She then asked what i shoot on there to which i replied that has no relevence as i have an open ticket. What calibres does your friend shoot she then asked, i replied 308, 223, 17HMR and 22 rim. He wont be able to shoot the 308 and 223 she said, what you need to do is to get your friend to is ask his own force to do a land check and they will then submit a request to us to check it out, we will thejn tell his force. I asked how long will that take? she said that depends on whether the land is cleared or not!! I said i was led to believe that i could phone up and you could tell me over the phone for what and whether the land is cleared or not. She then put me on hold and after several minutes came back and said .22Rim and 17HMR!! I replied Thankyou very much thats all i wanted to know good bye. Why could she not have done this from the start instead of going into some kind of inquisition. TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I read as 'the owner or person instructed by the owner' or however its worded.....and then as i always have every bit of work i do 'instructed in writing' i carried this on as it proves to anyone challenging me that i have a right to be shooting on what ever parcel of land i am on and avoids me being held under armed tresspass/armed response not pointing their guns at me to long and avoids me being hauled off to the nick whilst they sort it out and my guns being confiscated and chucked in a cupboard the me trying to get them back. To prove competance/ownership/legal access/h&s/boundries and insurance,its all in writing in a file that i always have with me,once a contracts manager always a contracts manager,i never take anyones word for it or assume anything unless its in writing. Over the top,or just ready incase its needed,its up to the individual to decide what they could do without Ok, so lets say I make up a permission form now, whack a farmers name and address and have a stab at a signature [using my left hand for good measure]. The police are called, look at your little note and with no other reference to the signature etc call off the helicopter and the ARP and bid you good day? I really, really hope not. IF they believe you are such a risk that they send armed officers you think they will accept a bit of paper with an unverified signature? I have no permission slips, but do have a mobile phone with contact numbers in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Ok, so lets say I make up a permission form now, whack a farmers name and address and have a stab at a signature [using my left hand for good measure]. The police are called, look at your little note and with no other reference to the signature etc call off the helicopter and the ARP and bid you good day? I really, really hope not. IF they believe you are such a risk that they send armed officers you think they will accept a bit of paper with an unverified signature? I have no permission slips, but do have a mobile phone with contact numbers in! In most cases that is correct. Ive only been stopped by armed response once when the local police and farm watch were having a surge on poaching. I was stopped by an unmarked car and out got two armed officers asked where I had been so I told them just up there on the moors. His reply was I knew that as Id'e been watching your lamp, after this he checked my FAC and my rifles then looked at my written permission slip contacted HQ to make sure the person who signed my permission actually lived there and that was it. As doft as it sounds the signature was not verified apart from it being the same name obviously as the land that I was on. Anybody could have wrote it and all police that I have met take one look and off they go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I have just this with my firearms office. I rang them to ask if a particular bit of land was cleared and to what caliber. I also asked if I needed to forward them a copy of the permission slip. I was advised that Kent police keep a record of what land a closed certificate holder has permission to shoot over. Although this is not recorded on my certificate they do keep it on their electronic records. All i was asked was to send them a copy of any permission slips that I have so they can keep their recoreds updated and advise what it is cleared for. To be honest I don't have a problem doing this.....It is give and take and as I collect more permissions and keep sending permission slips off the better the chance of them opening my licence. The fact is that different forces interpret the HO guidance in different ways and it is always best to give your FEO or licensing office a call....As i mentioned in an earlier post its all part of building a relationship with the FEO, this smooths teh entire process for any future contacts..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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