gsm1968 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I think the merits of each case should be looked into rather then a blanket revocation of all licences belonging to convicted drink drivers. Ian. I think you are right here. It frightens me how many posters are willing to brand a fellow shooter a liability and a danger based on one stupid mistake by being Slightly over the limit. He made an error of judgement, he has not willfully committed a crime. No one knows exactly how much takes them over the limit,and he found out the hard way. The only safe option is zero. And no doubt he will take the safe route in the future when he gets his licence back. We make a rod for our own back here. The anti gun lobby will see some of the posts here as agreement that only tea total people should be granted sgc/fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindasabat Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 eleven years ago i was stopped whilst driving and breathalysed at 9.30 a.m. and failed the test.this was the morning after i had been out drinking.i was convicted of drink driving a week later and fined and banned from driving.a week after that i had two police officers knocking on my door.when i asked what they wanted they said,your guns!!.i protested to no avail as they told me if i was not fit to drive a car,then i was not fit to possess guns.(a statement that i did not agree with at the time but do now).i had to attend a very educational six weeks course about the effects of alcohol on humans in order to get three months knocked off my twelve month driving ban,and get a certificate for my motoring insurance when i got my driving licence back. i am glad i attended this course because i learned a lot from it.it also took me two years to get my shotgun cert back.i was also told in no uncertain terms that if i was brought to the attention of the police again i would lose my shotgun cert for good.so, on that sound advice i decided that my shooting was far more important than my beer,and have not bothered drinking since.i am not preaching to anyone,just telling you my story about drink driving and its relationship to shooting, and all the inconvenience caused to myself by myself.seeing as i only have myself to blame as i was the author of my own misfortune !!!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 What next? Should your children be taken into care when you are convicted of an offence? Should everyone convicted of an offence in a year be bankrupted giving all there wealth and posessions to victims of crime? I had a clean license for ten years, after 18 months I now have 9 points for driving through a red light, speeding and driving while using a mobile phone. I am really ****** of I have not changed my driving style lately I have simply got a new job, I now drive around 60-70 thousand miles a year and have just been unlucky to be near plod when doing something a bit naughty. Everone needs to get a sense of proportion, it is nearly impossible to keep a clean license these days if you do a high number of miles. Before anyone gets on there high horse just imagine when they put chips in our cars and constantly monitor our driving. every month we will recieve a bill for our infringements commited - that time you did 33 in a thirty zone or wobbled across the white line because you were looking a a pretty girl in a short skirt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Its true allright because I signed the application as a countersignature for her and his wife had been shooting for years but never bothered with a licence until he lost his.The reason he was done for GBH is because two young lads thought it funny to pour a pint of lager down the back of his jeans and after thumping one and removing several teeth he was prosecuted first offence GBH,but his wife had caused no problems she wasnt there so why refuse her,at the interview she was told her husband wasnt allowed access to the cabinet keys same as my wife isnt to mine,but my wife shoots with me every week and they probably knew he would be shooting with her anyway.Another line of thought for you I attended a clay shoot a few weeks ago when a guy walked up to talk to me, he recognised me from banning him from one of the pubs my wife ran he was banned because of drugs found on him, later on he was jailed for burglary aggravated assault etc etc which funded his habit,this guy attends local clubs hires guns and buys cartridges to use,and stood beside me armed on a down the line and being sarcastic and cocky about the time he got slung out of the pub strange this can happen eh,Id still rather be standing next to my GBH convicted mate. Your mate made the mistake of sorting the lads out in plain view of everyone. Much better to do it later, stay calm at the time and show some control. Anyway regarding the drug addict. If he has been in Jail within the last five years is he not breaking the law by hiring a gun? I also though when you hired a gun you had to be supervised by the occupier of the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abadshot Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I think you are right here. It frightens me how many posters are willing to brand a fellow shooter a liability and a danger based on one stupid mistake by being Slightly over the limit. He made an error of judgement, he has not willfully committed a crime. No one knows exactly how much takes them over the limit,and he found out the hard way. The only safe option is zero. And no doubt he will take the safe route in the future when he gets his licence back. We make a rod for our own back here. The anti gun lobby will see some of the posts here as agreement that only tea total people should be granted sgc/fac. You don't get prosecuted for being slightly over the limit..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 get a ban for drink driving, but you should not lose your gun licence, Totally agree, Nanny gone mad IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 A client of ours was puffed around the New Year - stopped because one of his two number plate lights was not working - he was just over the legal limit - Peter UK Gun Repairs You don't get prosecuted for being slightly over the limit..... :hmm: The OP stated he was just over. He was not one of the double the limit couldn't care chav types. What would the purpose be of setting a limit if they don't prosecute if you're over it? The limit is 35 micro grams per 100ml of blood. Blow 36 and your not going to be left to drive yourself home. The point is we all have different tolerances and this guy misjudged his and payed the price. I don't believe it makes any difference to his suitability to own fire arms,(unless there is more to the story that we don't know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abadshot Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 You don't get prosecuted upto and including 39. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Not being mercenary, but if you are selling the guns for him, I may be interested in a couple of them - is the Beretta semi a AL391 Urika with the 3" magnum? If so what is the condition and what sort of price? shootingcharley Yes Charley - all four are for sale. The semi you are interested in like the others has not seen much work. It is an AL391 Urika with a 3" magnum chamber. As the guy wants cash for them, they wont be silly money and all will be serviced by us before going out. PM me if interested Peter UK Gun Repairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 You don't get prosecuted upto and including 39. This. Blow 35+ at the roadside and you are arrested and taken to the station to blow 2 more samples. if EITHER of these samples is 39 or below, then you are free to go. Remember it could be hours before you are required to take the two tests at the station, so there is room for improvement in your condition since being pulled originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 This. Blow 35+ at the roadside and you are arrested and taken to the station to blow 2 more samples. if EITHER of these samples is 39 or below, then you are free to go. Remember it could be hours before you are required to take the two tests at the station, so there is room for improvement in your condition since being pulled originally. Dissagree,when i was cought back in 1986 i was 39 on the lion intoximeter and the same 6 hours later, i got charged and ultimately fined and banned. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 When i had my interview for my sgc i was talking to the feo about this and he said if a person speeds and say get 3points we will say it could be a one off but if it happened again we would revoke it as it shows your careless,With drink driving revoked as it shows your not responsable,I think thats fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 my friend is a copper, during the months of november-december-january the policy was "if it has lips, breathalyse" he said it got to the point of sillyness, they are always trying to break last years numbers. i think in an effort to get more money as evidence drinking / driving is out of control. he said he breathalysed 000`s in those few months. the numbers always go up, i think they checked more than 1/4 million, and 3% tested possative (+ve for alcohol, and failing a test are 2 different things) i`m not against prosecution due to DD. but losing sgc? thats alittle steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskdale hawks Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 why'd they take the kids and wifes? I presume because they all shared the same cabinet? Therefore the gentleman in question would have had access to shotguns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'd have to say that I think the reasoning behind this (And to the most part I agree) is that if you can't be trusted with the privilege of using a contraption that can very easily take another's life (Not Drink driving) then why should you be trusted with another? Further to that, we don't know his past history. This could of been a 'final straw' sort of scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 What next? Should your children be taken into care when you are convicted of an offence? Should everyone convicted of an offence in a year be bankrupted giving all there wealth and posessions to victims of crime? I had a clean license for ten years, after 18 months I now have 9 points for driving through a red light, speeding and driving while using a mobile phone. I am really ****** of I have not changed my driving style lately I have simply got a new job, I now drive around 60-70 thousand miles a year and have just been unlucky to be near plod when doing something a bit naughty. Everone needs to get a sense of proportion, it is nearly impossible to keep a clean license these days if you do a high number of miles. Before anyone gets on there high horse just imagine when they put chips in our cars and constantly monitor our driving. every month we will recieve a bill for our infringements commited - that time you did 33 in a thirty zone or wobbled across the white line because you were looking a a pretty girl in a short skirt! depends on the offence, if its kiddy fiddling then yes. What drink driving is an indicator of is that for starters you like a drink, secondly when you've had a drink you'll do a silly thing like getting into a car and driving. Thirdly a lot of it is done by people with an alcohol issue and it can lead to other problems with alcohol domestics etc which you then have to bear in mind there are guns under the persons control. You don't blow a positive result after a pint, its unlikely to blow one after two pints and still fail once back at the station. The whole process as Jim says is in your favour if you haven't had a skinfull. At uni we had a guy drink 6 pints of Stella after a cricket match that finished at 4pm and drive back. got pulled at 10pm and blew a positive, because he was a friendly pleasant guy to the police they let him have a bit to eat and a drink and didn't book him in too quick, by 11:30 he blew under the limit. Totally wrong but different metabolisms handle different amounts at different speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 surprised at how many peeps here have had a ban ,been breathtested or know someone who has most of the lads i know that do a bit dont drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 When i had my interview for my sgc i was talking to the feo about this and he said if a person speeds and say get 3points we will say it could be a one off but if it happened again we would revoke it as it shows your careless,With drink driving revoked as it shows your not responsable,I think thats fair. If they revoke sgc for speeding or talking on mobile I would make a wager that thousands of people would lose them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 i think they should suspend licences for the length of the driving ban rather than revoke it completely. gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 If you can't be trusted with a driving license then you can't be trusted with a firearms license. Everyone knows the rules and if you can't be bothered to adhere to them and are prepared to risk the lives of everyone else on the roads then yes you don't deserve a sgc/fac. Over the limit is over the limit. I have arrested loads of people for drink driving. The highest was 135 and some just scraped over at 40 but over is over. I have also arrested drink drivers following fatal accidents and lots of professional people including police officers, fireman and military personel. See what I've seen and I think you will loose sympathy with drink drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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