Dekers Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 thats exactly as I do ie leave em alone dont shoot them, as the one you just shot may have been one of the 10% or so that WILL recover, it WONT however mean totally mixi free rabbits in your area, as they will only be immune to that particular strain of mixi. KW I agree,i really meant to say if you dont shoot the mixy ones and leave them to hopefully recover,and breed,then you should eventually have more rabbits Just to add,i saw my first 2 young rabbits this morning,they looked like they were just out the nest for the first time for a look about,they were so tiny they were funny There is always another view and those two posts made me cringe! How many strains of Myxomatosis do you think there are, and as Mixxy has been in this country for around 60 years, just how long do you think it may take the population to become immune? Mixxy is a horrible disease and I have no interest in watching vast numbers of rabbits suffer for the odd one to possibly gain some level of immunity, I shoot ALL mixxy rabbits on sight! On top of which I want to get rid of rabbits for my clients, and NOT help them breed for someones sport next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) There is always another view and those two posts made me cringe! How many strains of Myxomatosis do you think there are, and as Mixxy has been in this country for around 60 years, just how long do you think it may take the population to become immune? Mixxy is a horrible disease and I have no interest in watching vast numbers of rabbits suffer for the odd one to possibly gain some level of immunity, I shoot ALL mixxy rabbits on sight! On top of which I want to get rid of rabbits for my clients, and NOT help them breed for someones sport next year! glad it made you cringe most of your posts do the same to me I have my opinion you have yours ok your lordship? the farmers I shoot for want control not eradication that suits me Im a pest controller not exterminator ( where you on the dodo job) and as it gives me sustainable sport it suits ME yes ME not YOU, as for put them out of their misery, I think that as long as they have a 10%chance thats good enough for me and yes it does help if a local strain is rendered innefective. KW Edited April 1, 2011 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEREALTHRILLER Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Two rabbits went into a bar and after a few drinks one of the rabbits feels a bit hungry so orders some food at the bar. He scoffs it down but still feels hugry so orders some more, but this time with a different filling. later that evening he starts feeling unwell so says goodnight to his fellow rabbit and goes home to bed. He isn't seen for a couple of days and all his rabbit friends start to worry that something serious has happened. The next night he turns up in the bar looking well and all his rabbit friends are glad to see him. One of them asks what was wrong and the rabbit replies " I phoned the doctor and explained that I had eaten food from the bar and that I had had two different fillings - that doctor told me that it wasn't anything to worry about and that I had just been....... mixing my toasties " !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 glad it made you cringe most of your posts do the same to me I have my opinion you have yours ok your lordship? the farmers I shoot for want control not eradication that suits me Im a pest controller not exterminator ( where you on the dodo job) and as it gives me sustainable sport it suits ME yes ME not YOU, as for put them out of their misery, I think that as long as they have a 10%chance thats good enough for me and yes it does help if a local strain is rendered innefective. KW Your vetinary knowledge is laughable. Ask your VET as you obviously won't believe anything I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Your vetinary knowledge is laughable. Ask your VET as you obviously won't believe anything I say. every thing you write is laughable and yes surprisingly I dont believe owt you say KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Your vetinary knowledge is laughable. Ask your VET as you obviously won't believe anything I say. same here I can't watch an animal suffer and shoot any I see or if the dog retrieves them they get despatched. So few recover its not worth leaving them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 same here I can't watch an animal suffer and shoot any I see or if the dog retrieves them they get despatched. So few recover its not worth leaving them so few? its actually now considered that up to 40% recover, since mixi came to the UK (kent 1953)the rabbit has slowly but surely built up resistance to the desease, it is after all a natural deasease not a manufactured item , albeit from south america, but it has failed to erradicate the rabbit there and it wont here. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 glad it made you cringe most of your posts do the same to me I have my opinion you have yours ok your lordship? the farmers I shoot for want control not eradication that suits me Im a pest controller not exterminator ( where you on the dodo job) and as it gives me sustainable sport it suits ME yes ME not YOU, as for put them out of their misery, I think that as long as they have a 10%chance thats good enough for me and yes it does help if a local strain is rendered innefective. KW Your vetinary knowledge is laughable. Ask your VET as you obviously won't believe anything I say. every thing you write is laughable and yes surprisingly I dont believe owt you say KW It is apparent your farmers do not have a rabbit issue and simply let you shoot a few for fun, nobody who employs me to deal with a rabbit problem is happy for me to leave a few, because they know fully well what leaving a few means. Just how many strains of mixxy do yo think there are, and just how many do you think you have stopped? You, leaving mixxy infected rabbits to die a slow death does NOTHING to help eradicate mixxy and shows your naivety and inhumanity. Grow up and get real, mixxy mutates all the time, and in the course of one thread you have changed the recovery rate from 10% to 40%. Slag me off as much as you want and throw as many hissy fits as you like, you are not a pest controller and your knowledge of Myxomatosis is laughable. Best to go and speak to your Vet before you start throwing your toys out of your pram again, you may learn something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Slag me off as much as you want and throw as many hissy fits as you like, you are not a pest controller and your knowledge of Myxomatosis is laughable. Best to go and speak to your Vet before you start throwing your toys out of your pram again, you may learn something! found this bit. Strains of myxomatosis and vaccine development Although myxomatosis is typically fatal in rabbits without immunity, there are many different strains and some are more virulent than others. As evolution has progressed and the virus adapts accordingly, the modern myxoma virus may not kill rabbits quite as readily or rapidly as older strains. Use of the Shope fibroma virus strain is well proven in terms of safety and achieves good levels of efficacy. Inactivated killed) myxomatosis vaccines are generally ineffective. Other approaches that have been taken with mixed results have included using a weakened strain of the myxoma virus as a vaccine. looks like your own knowledge is a bit lacking to dekkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) It is apparent your farmers do not have a rabbit issue and simply let you shoot a few for fun, nobody who employs me to deal with a rabbit problem is happy for me to leave a few, because they know fully well what leaving a few means. Just how many strains of mixxy do yo think there are, and just how many do you think you have stopped? You, leaving mixxy infected rabbits to die a slow death does NOTHING to help eradicate mixxy and shows your naivety and inhumanity. Grow up and get real, mixxy mutates all the time, and in the course of one thread you have changed the recovery rate from 10% to 40%. Slag me off as much as you want and throw as many hissy fits as you like, you are not a pest controller and your knowledge of Myxomatosis is laughable. Best to go and speak to your Vet before you start throwing your toys out of your pram again, you may learn something! pram me nah you mate your still in nappies son, I reckoned a good 10% have been surviving, the scientific field however are starting to report up to 40% may be surviving, I shoot occaisionally with a guy who takes mixied rabbits and evaluates the strain, he tells me where the strain origionated from I have know a strain from dumfries hit a shoot in north yorks, now that did not travel by flea on a fox did it?! like I said I shoot for control not eradication, as you seem to, your type with your kill em all attitude should stick to cockroaches, as my farmers like to see a bit of wildlife, not a barren landscape, and that suits me down to the ground. KW Edited April 5, 2011 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Slag me off as much as you want and throw as many hissy fits as you like, you are not a pest controller and your knowledge of Myxomatosis is laughable. Best to go and speak to your Vet before you start throwing your toys out of your pram again, you may learn something! found this bit. Strains of myxomatosis and vaccine development Although myxomatosis is typically fatal in rabbits without immunity, there are many different strains and some are more virulent than others. As evolution has progressed and the virus adapts accordingly, the modern myxoma virus may not kill rabbits quite as readily or rapidly as older strains. Use of the Shope fibroma virus strain is well proven in terms of safety and achieves good levels of efficacy. Inactivated killed) myxomatosis vaccines are generally ineffective. Other approaches that have been taken with mixed results have included using a weakened strain of the myxoma virus as a vaccine. looks like your own knowledge is a bit lacking to dekkers. Just which part of my knowledge is lacking, Mixxy has been around in the order of 60 years in this country, there are multiple strains and it constantly evolves, any perceived immunity to the original mixxy, or any, is not necessarily immunity to any other potential strain. Mixxy in here, it will stay here long after we are gone and no local shooter is going to solve the mixxy problem by watching a lot suffer and hoping one develops some sort of immunity, especially as the world...except so called sport shooters.... want rid of rabbit anyway. Anyone who thinks they can bring immunity to any strain by not shooting a few is naive in the extreme! Edited April 6, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 what you are also doing Dekers is letting the rabbit mix with more of its own and it keeps the host of the disease going, shooting and disposing of the body does stop that rabbit coming into contact with more and spreading it locally. Its horrible to watch them suffer and I won't do it simple ok a few may get over it and it may help resistance long term but thats a hell of a lot of suffering to let happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I hate to see them with it and despatch any I see I dont like to see any animal suffer. At the weekend I stumbled across a rabbit I was convinced would have Mixxy as it saw me coming from quite a distance but did not run. When I got alongside it it was a very healthy size with no apparent problems but when it tried to get away it back legs were both completely useless Neck stretch later it was at rest but sad to see. Got me wandering it if was an early affect of Mixxy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft dog Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I personally shoot them...took a photo of this one a few weeks back. i don't normally shoot bunnies on this permission (its the foxes i'm after), couldn't let it potter around like it was. Both eyes were pretty much fully closed and the cheeks were drenched from where they had been weeping. It was clearly out of shorts as i shot it less than 2 feet away from a fox i had shot about 20 mins earlier. Not a nice disease at all. p.s. not getting into a debate here, just showing a pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I've shot quite a lot of rabbits recently an none had myxi up here in Warrington , so doing well up to now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Haven't seen any mixy here yet but I have two farms I only shoot during the summer as they don't want shooting going on at night so just recently been back on those and have seen a lot more tapeworm cysts and liver fluke than usual. I always dispatch mixy rabbits on sight, it's not just mixy that can finish off the rabbit. While fighting that, their immunity to other diseases like cocci are reduced and they can often end up with having more than just mixy to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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