.222 or .223

[dunganick]

222's go like stink are very flat , no stopping power though

 

how does that work?

 

the .222 goes slower than the .223 by about 100 - 200 fps, it fires (in sporting applications) the same weight projectile and projectiles of the same design (basically what ever you want)

 

in my experiance the .222 hits pleanty hard enough, there certainly wont be much noticeable difference between the two. (unless your running a very fast twist rate in the .223 which is spinning the bullet faster and causing more expansion)

 

"222 was all the rage 15 years" In the same way the .223 is all the rage now

 

and correct me if i'm wrong but do the millitary not use very heavy projectiles in the 5.56 and as such introduce a 'rainbow' trajectory to this round.

 

The reasons for using this round i believe are down to the amount of ammo one soldier can carry (weight and size) and the damage this will cause to its victuim. I was lea to believe that the 5.56 is used becuase it will injur not kill, and it takes two people to carry a injured person from the battle field, where as it dosent take anyone to carry a dead person.

 

however this topic is not about the pro's and con's of the 5.56 over the 7.62as a millitary round.

Edited March 26, 2006 by dunganick

[markbivvy]

cz 223 for sale on the hardcore hunting site £250

[marlin.45]

Mark, Do you have a URL to that site? Interested in having a mooch :thumbs:

[markbivvy]

http://thehuntinglife.com/forums/index.php?

[Axe]

 

I will be doing a 1 for 1 variation for the, what is now likely to be .223.

Good choice Axe. :thumbs:

Do you know yet what make you will be going for, if you get it?

.223 look to be alot more practicle with alot more loads available bthan the .222. So ive got my mind set on a Tikka T3 in synthetic to compliment the Quad. Any suggestions are welcome though. :blink:

[Frank]

.223 every time , had them both, still got the 223 and a 222-50, 222's go like stink are very flat , no stopping power though, why do the military use 223 (nato 5.56 )(there more or less the same), so any partly trained sqaddie can pick one up and it will shoot flat, a 308 (7.62) might stop an elephant but it's got a trajectory like a rainbow, in the right (trained sniper with a rangefinder and sniper turrets) hands they are as accurate as anything, 223's are the best not too noisy they shoot flat, have good stopping power,I never use my 222.50 any more even with the silencer it makes a hell of a racket and kicks too. 222 was all the rage 15 years ago they deserve there place in history, they are phasing them out at some stage, don't listen to all this twists and bullet grain nonscence but a tikka or cz 223 off the shelf , stick a decent glass on it and you are away

My Words Exactly :thumbs: :blink:

Could not have put it better myself.

[Frank]

So ive got my mind set on a Tikka T3 in synthetic.

Good rifle from what i hear.

It has a 1 in 8 twist too, which means you can fire bullets up to 80 grain :thumbs:

Id say though, you would be better of using 60 and under for foxes.

So you have gone off the idea of a CZ Axe? :blink: :(

Edited March 29, 2006 by Frank

[graysclassics]

It has a 1 in 8 twist too, which means you can fire bullets up to 80 grain :thumbs: :blink:

80 grain in .223 - what the hell for? OK if you want to ponce about loading your own but try buying some! If you want 80 grain use a .243 its much better.

Just get used to standard "factory" rounds first before you load specials. If you buy carefully and use former Yugoslavian or Israeli stuff it's as cheap as chips..

[dunganick]

It has a 1 in 8 twist too, which means you can fire bullets up to 80 grain :thumbs:  :blink:

80 grain in .223 - what the hell for? OK if you want to ponce about loading your own but try buying some! If you want 80 grain use a .243 its much better.

Just get used to standard "factory" rounds first before you load specials. If you buy carefully and use former Yugoslavian or Israeli stuff it's as cheap as chips..

do you handload yourself?

 

i would never use factory again now that ive seen the difference in both cost and accuracy from handloads.

 

If you can afford the initial cost of getting the reloading gear, you will then be able to make your money back slowly through the money you save per shot (quite alot) you will also see the benefit from the improvements in your group size.

[miffy]

. If you buy carefully and use former Yugoslavian or Israeli stuff it's as cheap as chips..

do you handload yourself?

 

i would never use factory again now that ive seen the difference in both cost and accuracy from handloads.

 

If you can afford the initial cost of getting the reloading gear, you will then be able to make your money back slowly through the money you save per shot (quite alot) you will also see the benefit from the improvements in your group size.

I wouldn't use factory ammo now that i have handloaded and as for yugoslavian and Israeli ammo..............KEEP IT or send it them back

 

Hand loads are far more satisfying to shoot but it isn't everyones "cup of tea"

If you are gonna try factory ammo then make sure you try every different brand of ammo that is available to you so that you can see which shoots the best in your rifle..I personally wouldn't shoot anything other than hornady Vmax bullets at foxes i've heard a bullet ricochet "after " it had passed through a fox....FRIGHTENING i tell thee :thumbs: :blink:

[Axe]

Frank,

 

As with all things in life, I ponder for ages before taking the plunge, just ask people who know me! I just like the idea of the Tikka, isnt available in different twist rates or am I mis-informed? Either way, it will certainly compliment the Sako Quad. I prefer to go for as much refinement as the wallet will allow, does that discount the CZ?

 

GC , perhaps im foolish but, i'm not that worried about reloading at the moment I barely have enough land to use it on and i'm not considering anything bigger than Fox at the moment. But surely no matter what load your using, its about responsibilty and knowing the load and your capability with it.

[Dunkield]

Axe, if you don't ponder for too long there <may> just may, be one or two Tikka M595's left in .223 - it's a classic gun and better made than the T3 - but I would imgine they are a bit scarce now

[sussex lad]

Axe, if you don't ponder for too long there <may> just may, be one or two Tikka M595's left in .223 - it's a classic gun and better made than the T3 - but I would imgine they are a bit scarce now :o

Axe,

If want to see and try a M595 let me know clives got one in .222 and i'll sort out a meet

[Axe]

Sounds like a plan SL cheers buddy.

[Frank]

Frank,

 

As with all things in life, I ponder for ages before taking the plunge, just ask people who know me! I just like the idea of the Tikka, isnt available in different twist rates or am I mis-informed? Either way, it will certainly compliment the Sako Quad. I prefer to go for as much refinement as the wallet will allow, does that discount the CZ?

Fair enough Axe, go for it mate. :o

[Frank]

It has a 1 in 8 twist too, which means you can fire bullets up to 80 grain  

80 grain in .223 - what the hell for? OK if you want to ponce about loading your own but try buying some! If you want 80 grain use a .243 its much better.

Just get used to standard "factory" rounds first before you load specials. If you buy carefully and use former Yugoslavian or Israeli stuff it's as cheap as chips..

I agree with what you say Grays mate, thats why i said to Axe, he is better off using 60 grain and under for fox, as thats all he is going after. :o

[hawkeye]

quote

AXE

Quite right, this is why I asked about the practicality of using such a round first. I will be doing a 1 for 1 variation for the, what is now likely to be .223. Now it is looking promising I will discuss the conditions with my FLO and find out if it will be granted for both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Axe i was under the impression that to do a 1 for 1 variation you have to give one up to get one.

 

If thats the case are you giving up your .22 or the HMR

:o

 

You had better be right about the scopes you use just ordered one fron optic warehouse so i hope they are as good as you say :*)

Edited March 30, 2006 by hawkeye

[Axe]

Mike,

 

The 1 for 1 variation will be on the .22 Airgun and Modertor slots I have. :o As for the scope, it has more pros than I can mention the con is the paralax when using it for lamping with the .22LR. Its a pain having to keep adjusting it for the different ranges. If your putting it on the HMR, I think you will be suitably impressed. Which one did you go for?