Firearms law advice please

[Kes]

Advice required please.

Lets say, hypothetically, I am a landowner, I lease the shooting rights (rifles and shotgun)to a syndicate and have farming tenants who have vermin rights. I want to do a chap (recommended by another) a favour who needs a permission to retain his FAC.

If I sign his permission slip, to help him out, even though he cannot shoot his centrefire rifle on the land (above lease and permissions), am I guilty of an offence such as maybe 'perverting the course of justice'.

The reasons being that whilst wishing to help, I dont want safety to be an issue, or to put myself at risk - hence the no shooting 'largely unenforceable, trust based' side agreement'.

Many thanks for any guidance.

[Gordon R]

If you support an application which is clearly not true - "Deception" is the least you would be facing. Aiding and Abetting springs to mind.

 

It's not worth doing a favour if this involves telling a lie. It could and ought to have repercussions for the both of you.

Edited April 11, 2011 by Gordon R

[wymberley]

Advice required please.

Lets say, hypothetically, I am a landowner, I lease the shooting rights (rifles and shotgun)to a syndicate and have farming tenants who have vermin rights. I want to do a chap (recommended by another) a favour who needs a permission to retain his FAC.

If I sign his permission slip, to help him out, even though he cannot shoot his centrefire rifle on the land (above lease and permissions), am I guilty of an offence such as maybe 'perverting the course of justice'.

The reasons being that whilst wishing to help, I dont want safety to be an issue, or to put myself at risk - hence the no shooting 'largely unenforceable, trust based' side agreement'.

Many thanks for any guidance.

Speaking hypothetically as you would not be in a position to grant such permission, then if, hypothetically speaking you were to do so, you can forget all the hype and just resign yourself to the fact that you've just joined the "one born every minute" group. :blink: :o

 

Edit: Punctuation

Edited April 11, 2011 by wymberley

[webber]

Subject to the wording of the syndicates lease, you may well be in breach of contract with the syndicate.

 

GordonR has highlighted a couple of potential offences if anything were ever proved.

 

You could consider getting your mate to apply for associate membership of the syndicate.

Maybe associate members only do fox and vermin control, and therefore are entitled to have their permission letter signed by the syndicate chairman.

If chummy decides to pay his associate membership fee, but never actually shoot anything on the land, thats his business.

 

If ever there was a good question to ask the BASC firearms team this would be it.

 

webber

[Vince Green]

Even if the land was free for him shoot on. If you had knowledge or belief that he had no intention of shooting there but just wanted to keep his FAC, you would be on thin ice. By rights, after a suitable period of time had elapsed you would be expected to inform the police that he had not taken up the shooting and had failed to exercise the good reason clause on his FAC. Clubs run into this all the time and are expected to inform on members who have not been attending. It can be the cause of much bad feeling. We always warn people before we do it but we don't have any choice as to whether we do it or not.

Edited April 11, 2011 by Vince Green

[HDAV]

IS it up to the landowner to regularly inform the police as to who has permission? How often every 3 months? 6? 12? I guess with a club its easier as you have a membership list and a fees to be paid

[Colster]

Ask one of the tenants to grant him rights to shoot vermin, if he never shows up it's not that unusual and unlikely to cause a stir but at least they have rights to grant shooting permission. You, by your own admission do not.

[Dave-G]

Ask one of the tenants to grant him rights to shoot vermin, if he never shows up it's not that unusual and unlikely to cause a stir but at least they have rights to grant shooting permission. You, by your own admission do not.

 

Or have a word with the syndicate to get him enrolled as a paid up member - who may or may not attend. Since he may not attend often he might just offer some funding to the kitty.

[sixhills 69]

My question would be why has this Chap lost his rights that he first had when he apply for his grant of an FAC?

I shoot vermin including fox on 4 lakes most the year round and when it gets to the duck season i have to stop, quite anoying but i get the last week of the season and i am aloud to take what ever the land owner/ sydicate says i can.

But giving written information to the police which is false the person that owns the land is still acountable for legal aspects of the land he owns if their be tennents/sydicates or what "The Buck Stops With The Person That Holds The Deeds".

The Land owner should be aware of this.