Just Cartridges CSP

[Maidment78]

CSP 70mm case 28gm fibre wad 6½ shot

 

Anyone used these? they look good on paper but just thought I would ask and at £4.40 per box, going to put them through a Hatsan semi so if anyone has had experiance with the carts then comments welcome.

[sitsinhedges]

I would love to try those, they seem perfect for pigeons.

 

Let us know how you get on if you buy some

[BobbyGee]

I've used some of the 7.5's at clays and would not hesitate to use them at decoyed pigeon - they are a very good cartridge. IMHO!

[Simon123]

Always wanted to try them, they look great.

[silver pigeon 3]

Good carts, quite punchy on the shoulder just finished off the last of 500, 28g 7.5 shot. Have put approx 200 of them through my Hatsan with no jams/misfeeds so you should have no worrys.

[The Duncan]

I'd prefer them if they did 32 grammes of what-for! :yp:

[Maidment78]

I will give them a go and let you know what they are like in the field as sound good.

[Maidment78]

Got these this morning, you will not have to worry about losing them in the grass as they are BRIGHT PURPLE! and for all those whole like cartridge porn then you can see through them too at all the inners and shiny things, will try and get out tonight for a few shots and will let you know how they go.

[al4x]

stupid question but why buy a clay cartridge for use in the field, the shot is usually made so its harder which is good for pattern and breaking clays but not for shooting pigeons.

[Guest cookoff013]

stupid question but why buy a clay cartridge for use in the field, the shot is usually made so its harder which is good for pattern and breaking clays but not for shooting pigeons.

 

simple, people shoot them because they are cheap. that is the only reason. when guys started shooting pigeons with steel 7.5s the reason some stated, its either £90 per thou or 170 per thou for lead.

they are using the cheapest shells available.

 

thats a big difference.

cheapness is usually the bigest factor when buying cartridges. i would never use a 7.5 on pigeons.. lead or steel

 

i`ve heard on the grapevine, that bodies are working at relaxing the cip steel shot regulations. 1oz of #6 steel @ 1600fps is a differnt matter altogether.

[al4x]

They aren't even that cheap though £179 a thousand plus delivery They have a 30 gram 6 Gamebore game cartridge in their bin ends at the same price

[Maidment78]

I use 7 and 7.5 for pigeon all the time and they are great for hide shooting with a lose choke out to 35/40 yrds. I do not like using the larger sizes bar for pheasant then I would use a 30g number 6 but bigger than that is just not needed for me but we are all different when it comes to what we like, I think most of the time though it is just a confidence thing, if you think you will not hit something with one type of cart you probably wont as you will think yourself into a miss.

 

6.5 seems a cracking little round to me. Looked at the number 6 in the bin ends but my gun just does not like them, double loads in the gamebore with the 65mm casing and the 6.5 have around 40 more pellets per round so paternation will be better with a very small reduction in hitting force lost.

 

Will let you know how I get on though as I am always happy to join in with debates!

[dougall]

not shot the 6.5,been through plenty of their 7.5 & 8s....great cartridge.

Buy their game extreme own brand for game.....made by gamebore a cracking cartridge..about same cost as clear pigeon.

Yes 6.5 should work on pigeon too,personally use game cartridges for game,clay for clay...If saving about 1p per cartridge is reason for using clay cartridges for game shooting.....??

[itchy trigger]

They aren't even that cheap though £179 a thousand plus delivery They have a 30 gram 6 Gamebore game cartridge in their bin ends at the same price

 

they're plastic not fibre,

 

I've been watching this with thread with interest, I want some smooth good fibre wad for pigeon, last ones I bought were express supreme 32g 6s, expensive and was not impressed, dirty and did not shoot well through my open choked sxs, was not impressed with them through my 682 supersport 1/4 and 1/4 either,

supersport

[Maidment78]

These are fibre wad. Will try the game one too then for a fair test, though not sure I have the skill to notice the difference when shooting.

[Hamster]

stupid question but why buy a clay cartridge for use in the field, the shot is usually made so its harder which is good for pattern and breaking clays but not for shooting pigeons.

 

Question - what makes a clay cartridge or a game cartridge? Answer - a pretty birdy picture and about £80 extra please sir. A bit flippant I know but true nonetheless. Yes of course there are variations such as the shot sizes and loads but the notion that game loads need to have softer lead in order to deform and impart more energy is Bull. If you honestly believe that such tiny shot such as 2.6 mm size 6 would deform inside a game bird and act as a dumdum hollow point or something you are deluded which is exactly what the advertisers intended.

 

I have used clay loads (mostly 7`s but would happily use 7.5`s) for pigeon all my life and have generally found game specific loads to be inferior in every way except the fact that they cost more. Clay loads are generally faster, cleaner, pattern tighter, kill more cleanly and cheaper.

[al4x]

maybe maybe not simple fact is though for what the CSP is selling for you can buy a game cartridge with a proper shot size in. 7.5's will work but they do limit your range, fine if you are the type who nearly waits for them to land in the pattern but not if you like to take birds further out

[Guest cookoff013]

Question - what makes a clay cartridge or a game cartridge? Answer - a pretty birdy picture and about £80 extra please sir. A bit flippant I know but true nonetheless. Yes of course there are variations such as the shot sizes and loads but the notion that game loads need to have softer lead in order to deform and impart more energy is Bull. If you honestly believe that such tiny shot such as 2.6 mm size 6 would deform inside a game bird and act as a dumdum hollow point or something you are deluded which is exactly what the advertisers intended.

 

I have used clay loads (mostly 7`s but would happily use 7.5`s) for pigeon all my life and have generally found game specific loads to be inferior in every way except the fact that they cost more. Clay loads are generally faster, cleaner, pattern tighter, kill more cleanly and cheaper.

 

they use a different blend of antimony to change the sharicteristics of lead so it drops better at bigger sizes. they are usually quicker too. there isnt just putting a picture on the cartridge and charging more. maybe for the cheap pigeon cartridges... but thats just cheap cheap..

 

handloaders can load any shotsize, that is the luxury we have. big companys like GB,HC etc have to recoup cost or have a limited range of shotsizes.

like #6 for pigeon only. all companys have a pigeon load of #6 and in 28g-30g-32g..... they are labelled as economical.

 

hampster,

the deformation happens in the barrel. if i put 10,000 ftlbs through a lead shot cloumn i`d expect it to deform. call me cynical. but it will.

 

game loads hit harder than any clayload. in both shotsize and ballistic co-efficiency. i`d rather whack a fox with 42gBB than 3/4oz of #9...

(extreme differentials i know.)

 

36g #4 for high pheseant is better than "any" 28g #7. homeload or not.

[Hamster]

hampster,

the deformation happens in the barrel. if i put 10,000 ftlbs through a lead shot cloumn i`d expect it to deform. call me cynical. but it will.

 

game loads hit harder than any clayload. in both shotsize and ballistic co-efficiency. i`d rather whack a fox with 42gBB than 3/4oz of #9...

(extreme differentials i know.)

 

36g #4 for high pheseant is better than "any" 28g #7. homeload or not.

 

No way do game loads hit harder, like for like if you buy a 28 gram clay load of say shot size 7 from a decent line such as Eley Superbs or Hull Sovereigns, it`ll be doing 1400+ fps no problem at all, most game loads are slower so they can`t hit harder. Nor will the pattern be any better since by your own admission they load these with softer (cheaper) shot to ensure deformation god knows why, so the less spherical shot will fly less true.

 

If you buy a 1000 6.5`s VIP, Superb, Sovereigns, etc etc, they`ll cost you from £175 to £215, the same shot size with game pictures and names like Chargot (silent t if you will) is up to £280 . If game shot performed better, then clay shooters including myself would use them as they`d pay for themselves in winnings .

[al4x]

so from your logic you should be using steel, they travel faster and the shot is harder

 

out of interest the rebadged gamebore cartridges that JC sell as xtreme game also do 1400fps and they really do hit hard on pigeons

[Hamster]

Of course not, steel patterns well enough but lacks the specific weight and density of lead and since it loses velocity faster, it tends to perform poorly on clays as well as game once beyond 30 or so yards. As yet nobody has come up with a good way of packaging them in such a way as to make their recoil characteristics as well as lead either.

 

I do admit you can find game loads that are as good as clays loads but like for like they won`t be better and most certainly not cheaper.

Edited April 18, 2011 by Hamster

[Guest cookoff013]

trying to compare game cartridges, and clay cartridges for a like for like bases isnt going to be easy.

hull make three crowns, in a 7. thats a nice shell. but isnt for clays.

 

i`ve got 24g #5, the loading is for small game not clays.

 

game loads hit harder because they have bigger shot. bigger shot has more energy retention and more energy to start with.

with a like for like game load clay cartridges are faster.

 

the only instance that i would even consider using 7s is on doves in argentina, i may even think about a 7.5, if the circumstances were right.

 

i think what i`m trying to say, use a game cartridge for game, and clay cartridge for clay.

 

there was a thread about 7 steel on duck (last year). thats just silly. that is a clay cartridge.

[Guest cookoff013]

Of course not, steel patterns well enough but lacks the specific weight and density of lead and since it loses velocity faster, it tends to perform poorly on clays as well as game once beyond 30 or so yards. As yet nobody has come up with a good way of packaging them in such a way as to make their recoil characteristics as well as lead either.

 

I do admit you can find game loads that are as good as clays loads but like for like they won`t be better and most certainly not cheaper.

 

whoah there, my prefered load is 24g steel #9 for skeet. i dont think there is a finer load than that. that is where steel excells.

 

steel 7s at 1oz performs brilliantly at clays. i have lumped of more than 2000 steel shells at clay. sporting is where the 1oz and 7s come in to their own.

 

i load lead and steel, they are 2 really different to be comparing the loadings.

if the cip relaxes the performance of steel shells, then they will only get better.

 

packing shells so they recoil as lead?

you can load them faster !

[saunders.shoots]

for £5 a box i get eley Vip or Grand Prix 30g 6 fibre with out paying the £15 pound postage

so are they rely a great deal?

[Hamster]

game loads hit harder because they have bigger shot. bigger shot has more energy retention and more energy to start with.

with a like for like game load clay cartridges are faster.

 

i think what i`m trying to say, use a game cartridge for game, and clay cartridge for clay.

 

 

That`s not comparing like for like then is it? A 6.5 game load can`t hit harder than a 6.5 clay load can it unless it was faster which they usually are not.

 

What we should say is use the right SIZE of shot for the differnt applications. They all have powder, wad and pellets in them, if loading them with soft shot and calling them game made them better (I don`t mean to be overly sarcastic, just a little) then Digweed would use them for his world domination. He doesn`t, instead uses clay loads and that must tell us something!