Harnser Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 nice advice, I'm new to stalking and have had a few this year, so far none over 100 yards but have shot from the bipod, from a gatepost, from sticks and from a stalkers shoulder. To me thats more real world than theory can't see me wanting to take 300 yard shots and one things for sure taking them from some of the shooting positions I've had to use would be ludicrous. People just need to get out and do it more than talk about the extreme theory of it I am glad that some body else can see through all this ballistics **** . I have taken shots at deer from the prone postion , from the kneeling postion ,laying across a hedge , leaning against a tree , sighting down the side of the barrel because the deer was so close I couldnt see it through the scope ,sighting between my legs from a high seat because the stag had walked right below me and do you know what not once did any ballistics table come to mind . Oh ,and yes when I first started all my deer were shot over iron sights , Unheard of today . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I am glad that some body else can see through all this ballistics **** . I have taken shots at deer from the prone postion , from the kneeling postion ,laying across a hedge , leaning against a tree , sighting down the side of the barrel because the deer was so close I couldnt see it through the scope ,sighting between my legs from a high seat because the stag had walked right below me and do you know what not once did any ballistics table come to mind . Oh ,and yes when I first started all my deer were shot over iron sights , Unheard of today . Harnser . amazing,so you shot a red stag through your legs as it was underneath your one question where did you hit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 amazing,so you shot a red stag through your legs as it was underneath your one question where did you hit it squarely between the shoulder blades and spine out through the chest , instant kill . Then I dont suppose this shot can be dialled up on your ballistics chart . Incidently with a .303 and open sights ,many years ago ,but a shot I will allways remember . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) squarely between the shoulder blades and spine out through the chest , instant kill . Then I dont suppose this shot can be dialled up on your ballistics chart . Incidently with a .303 and open sights ,many years ago ,but a shot I will allways remember . Harnser . not really a reconized shot now is it shooting a beast through the back,somthing i personally wouldnt be proud of,but as you say it was many years ago,and all this best practise and shot palcement bull wasnt around then,a bit like modern ballistic nowerdays I take it your an old school hunter/stalker/shooter/sportsman and have not embraced modern times Edited May 11, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) not really a reconized shot now is it shooting a beast through the back,somthing i personally wouldnt be proud of,but as you say it was many years ago,and all this best practise and shot palcement bull wasnt around then,a bit like modern ballistic nowerdays I take it your an old school hunter/stalker/shooter/sportsman and have not embraced modern times Come off it Ackley , do you rally think it's less humane than your 500yd shots ? If it needed finishing off he wouldn't have needed to catch a bus to get to it. Edited May 11, 2011 by Catweazle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Come off it Ackley , do you rally think it's less humane than your 500yd shots ? If it needed finishing off he wouldn't have needed to catch a bus to get to it. I didnt say it wasnt "humane" I said it wasnt a reconized shot according to the codes of practice ect ect ect, dead is dead be it on the end of the barrel or at extended distance,and why isnt a 500 yard shot humane when exucuted correctly,more humane than a 50 yard shot taken badly my point is its OK for this guy to take a shot like that but not for someone at extended ranges also it just shows how the times have moved on,for all I know this chap could have had no option to take the shot or his family may have gone hungry,I dont know and dont really care,he was happy thats all that matters and dead is dead at the end of the day just goes to show what sort of shots people do take Edited May 11, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I am glad that some body else can see through all this ballistics **** . I have taken shots at deer from the prone postion , from the kneeling postion ,laying across a hedge , leaning against a tree , sighting down the side of the barrel because the deer was so close I couldnt see it through the scope ,sighting between my legs from a high seat because the stag had walked right below me and do you know what not once did any ballistics table come to mind . Oh ,and yes when I first started all my deer were shot over iron sights , Unheard of today . Harnser . As i have said many times before, I agree completely with the above...it's not all lying prone off a bipod, my last 4 stalks have ended - 1) lying flat in an open field with the rifle across a friends back. 2) taken sitting whilst leaning an elbow agains a dry stone wall and asking my dear old man to hunker down (he was not so impressed as he was below the muzzle and apparently the boom is still quite "advanced" towards that end of the rifle.. ) 3) on the ground after crawling 80 yards, heart pounding, breathing through **** leaning rifle on top of bino's, the bino's clattered the scope and "rung" out only to have the buck bark and disappear... 4)taken standing but leaning on the top of a stone wall. Of these the one that the buck ran off was probably the most exciting as it was completely open ground and I got to about 70-90 yards away, the fact he rumbled me says it was sporting..... ...of course you could just wallop him from 200 yards but wheres the fun in that? you'd be as well building a 60ft tower at your ground with a swivel chair and a good rest...and just picking them off hathcock style.. :blink: Regards, Gixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) I didnt say it wasnt "humane" I said it wasnt a reconized shot according to the codes of practice ect ect ect, dead is dead be it on the end of the barrel or at extended distance,and why isnt a 500 yard shot humane when exucuted correctly,more humane than a 50 yard shot taken badly my point is its OK for this guy to take a shot like that but not for someone at extended ranges also it just shows how the times have moved on,for all I know this chap could have had no option to take the shot or his family may have gone hungry,I dont know and dont really care,he was happy thats all that matters and dead is dead at the end of the day just goes to show what sort of shots people do take Erm...i think it is a recognised shot y'know....it says "vitals" but it doesn't state from broadside alone... Taken from the deer initiative - Humane death The objective of good bullet placement is to induce unconsciousness as swiftly as possible, rendering the animal insensitive to pain, and for this to be quickly followed by death. A correctly placed bullet causes death within seconds. Vital zones When a bullet strikes certain areas of the body, a rapid death will result. These areas are known as vital zones and are inside the animal http://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/pdf/guide_culling_shotPlacement010509.pdf See page 3 and 4 ...it makes for quite a good read actually... Regards, Gixer Edited May 11, 2011 by gixer1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) As i have said many times before, I agree completely with the above...it's not all lying prone off a bipod, my last 4 stalks have ended - 1) lying flat in an open field with the rifle across a friends back. whats wrong with a bipod or a roesack,taking a shot off someones back is a little irresponsable and dangerous 2) taken sitting whilst leaning an elbow agains a dry stone wall and asking my dear old man to hunker down (he was not so impressed as he was below the muzzle and apparently the boom is still quite "advanced" towards that end of the rifle.. ) again a little silly when a set of steady sticks could have been deployed and taling a shot so close to someone which it could have harmed there hearing again irresponsable 3) on the ground after crawling 80 yards, heart pounding, breathing through **** leaning rifle on top of bino's, the bino's clattered the scope and "rung" out only to have the buck bark and disappear... it happens but as long as you enjoyed it, 4)taken standing but leaning on the top of a stone wall. a fair enough shot using what ever is suitable for a good solid rest Of these the one that the buck ran off was probably the most exciting as it was completely open ground and I got to about 70-90 yards away, the fact he rumbled me says it was sporting..... ...of course you could just wallop him from 200 yards but wheres the fun in that? would have been a bit better if capable of some of the shots you have descibed you'd be as well building a 60ft tower at your ground with a swivel chair and a good rest...and just picking them off hathcock style.. :blink: sounds good dont keen on a swivel chait though as it could move and upset yout solid rest whilst talking the shot Regards, Gixer Edited May 11, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Erm...i think it is a recognised shot y'know....it says "vitals" but it doesn't state from broadside alone... Taken from the deer initiative - Humane death The objective of good bullet placement is to induce unconsciousness as swiftly as possible, rendering the animal insensitive to pain, and for this to be quickly followed by death. A correctly placed bullet causes death within seconds. Vital zones When a bullet strikes certain areas of the body, a rapid death will result. These areas are known as vital zones and are inside the animal http://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/pdf/guide_culling_shotPlacement010509.pdf See page 3 and 4 ...it makes for quite a good read actually... Regards, Gixer Iam glad someone posted this I wondered how long it would take,can you now go and find where it says at what distance you should be shooting at whilst were on about shot palcement,look up "portuguise port hole" a shot regonized by a few Edited May 11, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Iam glad someone posted this I wondered how long it would take,can you now go and find where it says at what distance you should be shooting at whilst were on about shot palcement,look up "portuguise port hole" a shot regonized by a few There probably isn't a recomendation as the assumption is made that some walt isn't sitting 500 yards away clicking away at a turret... Edited May 11, 2011 by gixer1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 There probably isn't a recomendation as the assumption is made that some walt isn't sitting 500 yards away clicking away at a turret... or another walt taking a shot off his mates back or at the side of his dads head ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 god this trying to justify long range shooting of deer is getting tedious, can't you just stick to shooting Giraffes and the likes at range Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 or another walt taking a shot off his mates back or at the side of his dads head ouch you just keep thinking that Pete.... you have shown most of the people on here how "sporting" and "professional" you are.... I'll call my shots and you call yours, I know what most people class as good practice.. I see you're back to the "don't judge others" thing....i'm guessing you use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V a lot... so long "SNIPER"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Ok "... portugese port hole" ... que ?? and googles no help on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 i presume it's the same as a Texas heart shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_heart_shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 i presume it's the same as a Texas heart shot. thats the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 aah south end of a north bound buck .. ta .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) god this trying to justify long range shooting of deer is getting tedious, can't you just stick to shooting Giraffes and the likes at range Ackley you mean like this one I "hunted" in Namiba Edited May 11, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 High neck shot on a giraffe I'm impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 High neck shot on a giraffe I'm impressed its the reconized shot not particulary difficult,the hard bit is finding them in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 and the backstop when you're aiming 20 feet in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 and the backstop when you're aiming 20 feet in the air moutains try another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) this is getting quite interesting...shooting deer in the back, 4 inch groups,bickering with people... all from a simple question... Edited May 11, 2011 by archie1234 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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