paulos Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would love to see that. Am happy to meet up and put a measured edge on crosser at 55 yards, if you hit 7 ex 10 straight off then your days shooting is on me! Ed I'm game for that! It'd be a gamble - but it would be worth it for a free days shooting!! Just need to find a day when I can fit in 3-4 100 registered.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 A challenge... and it's only Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Yes your right hitting 7 or 8 out of 10 is only the odd one I supose :blink: Remember I am only using 21grams which generally means less pellet damage as they travel through the forcing cone, barrel and choke and therefore a tighter pattern compared to 28 gram and this is taken from 3 or 4 reports about lightweight cartridges in various magazines and web sites Do not be taken in by armchair experts my friend. That Charles Bull who sells cartridges for a living is NOT a world authority on ballistics. The thing is people get hold of a quip or three and then beat it to death hoping those around them marvel at how knowledgeable they are , this has gone on for years, in fishing, shooting and no doubt all other sports. FYI I have had a grand on the table for as long as these 21 gram shells have been out, to the first man who`ll show me consistent patterns that demonstrate their superiority as in more pellets in circle at range due to less deformity nonsense. There will never be anyone foolish enough to step up because it cannot happen. I shot these light loads when they first came out and really wanted them to work because I despise recoil , but they won`t live with 24 let alone 28 gram . Edited June 13, 2011 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Hamster - don't beat about the bush - just tell it as it is. :lol: :lol: PS I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 now hang on, i`ve shot very long crossers at lakenheath. it was in the rookery clay number c. the shots were silly, but fun. we started shooting them after we got the lead sussed. it was a day and a half ! the choke was cylinder with procomp 7.5 in 1oz flavour and placky waddy. if i hadnt have witnessed it i would have said i`d never be able to shoot that thatget. the greaks were limp, obviously single pellet hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodit Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Do not be taken in by armchair experts my friend. That Charles Bull who sells cartridges for a living is NOT a world authority on ballistics. The thing is people get hold of a quip or three and then beat it to death hoping those around them marvel at how knowledgeable they are , this has gone on for years, in fishing, shooting and no doubt all other sports. FYI I have had a grand on the table for as long as these 21 gram shells have been out, to the first man who`ll show me consistent patterns that demonstrte their superiority as in more pellets in circle at range due to less deformity nonsense. There will never be anyone foolish enough to step up because it cannot happen. I shot these light loads when they first came out and really wanted them to work because I despise recoil , but they won`t live with 24 let alone 28 gram . Hey guys I only saying what has worked for me, I'm certainly not saying I do it every day I'm not that good or that consistant and I was shooting full use of gun. The reason I quoted various reports is because I am by no means an expert in ballistics. And no your not going to have more pellets in circle, fairly improbable as you are starting out with about 80 or so pellets less 280ish for 21grm No7 compared to 360ish for 28grm, but the 21grm pattern seems to be tighter for the amount choke applied as the pellets remain more round and aerodynamic. One thing I will quote in defense of lighter loads is that FITASC reduced there official load to 28grm from whatever it was before and it was recorded that there was no decrease in scores with 28grm. And I personally have found no advantage shooting 28grm (mind you could be because I am craep) Anyway this is my last comment in this thread have fun arguing the point I will watch with interest. Regards Sodit Edited June 15, 2011 by sodit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky T Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Anyway this is my last comment in this thread have fun arguing the point I will watch with interest. Don't bolt at the first sign of someone who disagrees with a claim that you have made. You could win a days shooting at Ed's expense if you have a little faith in your set-up and yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Nobody ever reads anything properly before they start laying down the law. The OP was saying he missed a shedload of long crossers, was it him or the choke?. Nobody's saying 1/4 choke is ideal for edgy long crossers, but he should break a few with it, even if they're **** breaks. If he doesn't hit any, it's him. Still stand by that. High horses - dismount! Edited June 13, 2011 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Jolly good point sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_c Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Hi all, Did not want/mean to start a fight!! Edsolomans, you are right, that was the bird I was refering to. It comes down to me needing more experience on certain birds, and going to different shoots will hopefully be the thing to do. Cheer's Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 go and see young ed (not so young now)for some tips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Don't bolt at the first sign of someone who disagrees with a claim that you have made. You could win a days shooting at Ed's expense if you have a little faith in your set-up and yourself But to be fair its even easier to get free cartages at Paulos's expense. You will not hear me say this often but I actually agree with Chard, if the op has not hit any at all then it’s him, if his complaint was consistency on them then we have the choke debate. Now onto the choke debate as I am bored and still hungover form Friday. I have hit rangy clays with 1/4 chokes, but once I have found the clay I seem to be more consistent at breaking them with tighter chokes. This could be due to the fact I have a better idea where I am due to the better breaks and can make slight corrections to aid my consistency or the clay slipping through the pattern occasionally on the wider choke. Either way I definitely see the benefit to my consistency using tighter chokes on the rangy stuff even though I know I can hit them with 1/4 just not as consistently or as confidently. I also think the cartridge makes a bit of a difference, IMHO Hull sovereigns 28 g 7.5 seem to pattern tighter than Eley 28 g 7.5 Superbs through the same choke, I stand to be correct by anyone who has patterned both carts through an optibore but I definitely get better breaks with the Hull. I also bought some 1/2 Briley chokes which did pattern tighter than the 1/2 Browning Midas chokes that came with the gun, so even though they both had 1/2 on them they were different as I patterned those. So your gun/cart/choke set up might give quite a different pattern hence the difference in opinions. For me I have played with chokes and will stick with 3/8 or 1/2 in a Beretta Optibore for every target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) I recall watching one of our top ladies, back in the mid 80's, shooting high crossers at that distance and more. She pretty much smoked all that came out of the trap. Anthier Hillier, wonderful shooter. Now what is the name of that shooting ground up in Devizes Wiltshire. O yes and I forgot to say I have never read so much BS in some of the answers Edited June 13, 2011 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting shot Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I recall watching one of our top ladies, back in the mid 80's, shooting high crossers at that distance and more. She pretty much smoked all that came out of the trap. Anthier Hillier, wonderful shooter. Now what is the name of that shooting ground up in Devizes Wiltshire. O yes and I forgot to say I have never read so much BS in some of the answers I'm sure she did and I'm also sure she would have been using 32grm = 1 1/8th loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I'm sure she did and I'm also sure she would have been using 32grm = 1 1/8th loads and most probably full and full.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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