Dekers Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Come on guys, you all know me better than that, a good bit of debate is what it's all about, and sitting on the fence doesn't lead to any expression or view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Having permission to shoot does not equal occupier unless you own the shooting rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Firstly they are Canada geese, not Canadian geese. Play it safe mate and wait untill the 1st of September when the ''fowling'' season starts A decent 3'' non-toxic load of #1s or BB's should do the trick (assuming your using a 3'' chambered gun?) Canadian. Never before and now, damn me, twice in 24 hours. Also in the book, "West Country Tales" by that numpty from Exmoor. Tales? Drivel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) First off I have a FAR more open mind than the VAST majority of Wildfowlers who generally fail to see any other view, and secondly I haven't had a go at them for ages. Wildfowlers are the one with the chip, because they are useless and have let all the Canadas IN, if they had shot them, then we wouldn't have a problem to deal with they would not be year round residents, and they "Might" have some sport. All they ever do is belly ache because I have to shoot them all year because of the grief they cause and they don't get to see them! Shame! ATB! so its all down to wildfowlers? and not a little to do with park authorities introducing them as they did to my local parks in the late fifties then KW No broad assumptions here then ? Every comment of mine above is based on b******* wildfowlers have historically launched off with. I have found that many have a very closed mind, they are right and nobody else is entitled to a view or comment, and certainly has no right under any circumstances to shoot them out of season. That is what really ****** me off about them generally, they are right and everyone else is wrong! They tend to be a sad bunch who have serious issues generally with the likes of me shooting them for vermin control, a concept that on the whole they simply cannot grasp! And as for park authorities causing the problem... it is much more complicated than that! I have certainly made some genrealisations, but it is either that or pages of qualifying comment! ATB! Edited August 24, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Like I said to the OP, play it safe and wait a week when they are in season. That way if someone stops and asks him what hes doing, and he doesn't know the correct and legal answer, he wont look like a fool and potentially land himself in some poo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Canadian. Never before and now, damn me, twice in 24 hours. Also in the book, "West Country Tales" by that numpty from Exmoor. Tales? Drivel! Now the plonker is on about roe stags. The BBC paid this man a fortune out of our licence fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 No broad assumptions here then ? Thanks for proving my point Every comment of mine above is based on b******* wildfowlers have historically launched off with. I have found that many have a very closed mind, they are right and nobody else is entitled to a view or comment, and certainly has no right under any circumstances to shoot them out of season. That is what really ****** me off about them generally, they are right and everyone else is wrong! Strange how similar polarities repel each other eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan the gun Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 As usual I'll get to the point, just how do you propose to shoot a whole load of Canadas in a field grazing stubble with a shotgun, just walk up to a sensible distance and let go? A Moderated rifle from cover at some distance will give a bigger bag! Now then, anyone seen my tin hat? exactly my thoughts... i shoot many of these pests with me rifle no matter what month. If i get asked they get shot... so a rifle is best in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 exactly my thoughts... i shoot many of these pests with me rifle no matter what month. If i get asked they get shot... so a rifle is best in my eyes Yes, but the OP'er does not hold and FAC or a SGC. He is going out with a friend and borrowing one of his shotguns under his supervision and wanted to know what was the best way to go about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan the gun Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 well if thats the case the only way to be 100% sure is to call the BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 well if thats the case the only way to be 100% sure is to call the BASC Or wait untill next Thursday and use non-toxic shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK-GUN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Ha Ha, exactly what you would expect a widfowler who never sees them to say, they are VERMIN, there are Hundreds round here and they get a BULLET which works very well, this is NOTHING to do with Sport, it is simply vermin control! Something I have never known any wildfowler to grasp! ATB! [/quote can you shoot them with a lead bullet then, but not a lead cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 [/quote can you shoot them with a lead bullet then, but not a lead cartridge. Daft aint it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Ha Ha, exactly what you would expect a widfowler who never sees them to say, they are VERMIN, there are Hundreds round here and they get a BULLET which works very well, this is NOTHING to do with Sport, it is simply vermin control! Something I have never known any wildfowler to grasp! ATB! can you shoot them with a lead bullet then, but not a lead (shotgun) cartridge. YES! Something I had to point out to an FEO when he got all arsey about a guy I was mentoring! Funny old world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Being able to use a lead rifle bullet but not lead shotshells makes sense to me. The idea is to prevent other birds eating the lead that lands in the water, shotguns put a lot more lead in the water than rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Being able to use a lead rifle bullet but not lead shotshells makes sense to me. The idea is to prevent other birds eating the lead that lands in the water, shotguns put a lot more lead in the water than rifles. We are talking about shooting on stubble fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Being able to use a lead rifle bullet but not lead shotshells makes sense to me. The idea is to prevent other birds eating the lead that lands in the water, shotguns put a lot more lead in the water than rifles. Perhaps I missed it somewhere but we have historically spend many years shooting lead into the air, water, fields and quarry, and many of us have also eaten copious quantities of shot over the years from our quarry. Don't get me wrong, I tend to accept that lead is not generally good for the environment or people, but where is the scientific evidence that says I should be dead? :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Perhaps I missed it somewhere but we have historically spend many years shooting lead into the air, water, fields and quarry, and many of us have also eaten copious quantities of shot over the years from our quarry. Don't get me wrong, I tend to accept that lead is not generally good for the environment or people, but where is the scientific evidence that says I should be dead? :o I think the idea is to protect birds from eating lead, not to protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) I think the idea is to protect birds from eating lead, not to protect you. No, people too. The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) and the Food Standards Agency (FSA) have invited key organisations to form an independent strategic group to advise Government on the impacts of lead ammunition on wildlife and human health. The purpose of the Lead Ammunition Group (the Group) is to bring together relevant stakeholders and experts to advise Defra and the FSA on: (a) the key risks to wildlife from lead ammunition, the respective levels of those risks and to explore possible solutions to any significant threats; (B ) possible options for managing the risk to human health from the increased exposure to lead as a result of using lead ammunition. Basically, the antis are trying to ban lead shot altogether. Some food for thought; An article in Augusts Sporting Gun; I have been shooting for 50 years and still do. In this time I have eaten a great many game birds, wildfowl,hares and rabbits. So over the years I have no doubt ingested a great many pellets. I recently had an MRI scan and was told I had a number of lead pellets inside me (I had eaten a pheasant a few days earlier). I was told by the Doctor had the pellets been steel the scan would have caused me severe internal damage! All I can say is that wildfowlers who have used steel shot should be careful as you never know when you may need a scan! Edited August 26, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBhoy Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Canadian. Never before and now, damn me, twice in 24 hours. Also in the book, "West Country Tales" by that numpty from Exmoor. Tales? Drivel! how do you know that these birds in question weren't dressed as mounties drinking labbats?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Perhaps I missed it somewhere but we have historically spend many years shooting lead into the air, water, fields and quarry, and many of us have also eaten copious quantities of shot over the years from our quarry. Don't get me wrong, I tend to accept that lead is not generally good for the environment or people, but where is the scientific evidence that says I should be dead? :o I think this is the right video, but I can't have the sound on at work, so can't verify. Should cover what you're asking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62dVw7QQVJ8&feature=relmfu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) I think this is the right video, but I can't have the sound on at work, so can't verify. Should cover what you're asking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62dVw7QQVJ8&feature=relmfu Interesting, and I'm not trying to make light of anything, but that is just another this is bad for you report, so is beer, so is red meat, so is cheese, so is driving, so is sitting at your office desk, so is not getting enough excercise, so is not eating 5 portions of veg, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc......................... Life is a balance and trade off, MILLIONS of people have eaten lead shot over the years, and most likely BILLIONS have eaten meat/milk and food crops from land over which lead shot has fallen, or wars have been fought, just where is the pile of bodies from all the lead poisoning? There are vast quantities of clay shots each weekend over farm crops/livestock, so why hasn't that been banned? ATB! Edited August 30, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Interesting, and I'm not trying to make light of anything, but that is just another this is bad for you report, so is beer, so is red meat, so is cheese, so is driving, so is sitting at your office desk, so is not getting enough excercise, so is not eating 5 portions of veg, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc......................... Funnily enough, it's from an hour long special of 'How It's Made', but the video comes across as a pure warning video. I thought it'd be the one narrated in English, which doesn't sound like a health warning video I'd highly recommend watching the whole episode, for the facts and also because there's a really good snippet from Sierra bullets at the end, showing how they make their bullets Couldn't find the UK version, so you'll have to put up with the Yank narrating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkr1NS7bEUU&feature=relmfu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Perhaps I missed it somewhere but we have historically spend many years shooting lead into the air, water, fields and quarry, and many of us have also eaten copious quantities of shot over the years from our quarry. Don't get me wrong, I tend to accept that lead is not generally good for the environment or people, but where is the scientific evidence that says I should be dead? :o However one of the differences between you and a duck or goose is the fact that they have a gizzard to grind their food and when they pick up pellets rather than grit they will succumb to poisoning. Humans tend to void their pellets quickly, though there is some evidence that some people have a small collection in their appendix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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