MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Hi there, I'm new to pigeonwatch so please go easy on me I'm 16 years old and sent off for my shotgun certificate 3 weeks ago, I bought a cabinet on Saturday and i had planned to fit it in my understairs cupboard because it is a solid wall and out of the way , but failed to previously realise that I have a skirting board in there so without taking a section of board out it won't be flush with the wall and ofcourse therefor no good! My mum isn't particulary keen For me to remove a bit of skirting board to have it fitted so my only alternative is to fit it in the loft , it will be bolted into a solid wall up there , my only worry is Ive been told that the officer that comes to check won't be that keen on having the cabinet in the loft because they think you will be lazy and store them illegally out of the cabinet etc. It's not a problem getting into my attic because the ladder folds down easily and because I'm 6ft 6 I can reach it without a problem. Its not a problem going up there in the early hours of the morning after a lamping trip etc because the loft opening is at the other end of the house.My mum has said that if worst comes to the worst I will have to remove the skirting board but ideally that's something I would like to avoid. If I could get it granted with it in the loft that would be the better option ? Any advice and infomation greatly welcomed, thanks alot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul700r Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Should have no prolems as long as access is ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Hi, and welcome. Do we take it that there is insufficient room to mount it above the skirting board? Do a search - cabinet mounting, forums - loads of info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 why not just fit the cabinet above the skirting board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-oXo- Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Could you not just hang it above the skirting? Or make a small box to sit it on then bolt it flush to the wall? One of my cabinets is done like this under my stairs I just made a ledge up and bolted it in above the skirting. Handy place to store cart boxes underneath. Edited August 29, 2011 by -oXo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Oh that's good , Ive cocked up a bit , on my application i asked for my guns to be stored at my uncles because he has a certificate at shotguns etc because I didn't want to buy a cabinet but as I did well in my exams, ( rather unexpectedly) I got given some money and bought a cabinet , so I want it to be stored at my house in my own cabinet , how do I go about changing it , when the officer comes to mine or ring them Up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I got told that you can't raise it above the skirting board because thieves could put a jack underneath and bust it off the wall , also there isn't enough room which is a shame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I got told that you can't raise it above the skirting board because thieves could put a jack underneath and bust it off the wall , also there isn't enough room which is a shame! Yep. Had the same problem at my place. Queried packing out the back with hard wood strip and they said no as it could be barred off. They were okay with steel packers but I just stuck it in the loft. Watch the condensation chap. I get a lot of temp variation in my loft and the guns have sweated up in the past. Worth whipping them out for a check routinely, especially the guns that don't get used much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Check with FEO mine was happy with packing (solid) behind it to pack out level with skirting and bolted though the board into the wall (board is also fixed to the wall) and its in a corner. But its up to the FEO just let application run and when they phone for interview ask them to inspect your cabinet as well. A mate whoi think had the same FEO has it above skirting and the floor below is tiled again in a corner and FEO was happy (very actually as when he opened the door to show him the cabinet the FEO couldn't see it!) The jack thing i don't really get TBH yes it's possible but most jacks wont go under small gaps How tall is skirting? 2", 4", 6"? and if they are coming prepared with a Jack there are 101 other things that will crack a cabinet even one that is bolted to the floor it after all 2mm steel not 20mm armour plate! Edited August 29, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Thanks for the advice guys, great help! I'm going to ring my local police department Tommorrow and find out , I'm in the Devon and Cornwall Area and apparently there's a 12 week backlog which means I'll be lucky to have my certificate before Christmas ! To avoid condensation could I leave my guns in the slips in the cabinet? Anything else I could do to prevent condensation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Skirtinng board is usually 18mm thick, stand the cabinet on the floor and put a piece of 18mm ply behind the cabinet and above the skirting. Draw around the cabinet onto the ply then cut out the ply so it is the exact shape of the cabinet. Get bolts long enough to go into the solid wall, through the ply and into the cabinet. For additional strength I would fix the ply to he wall with half a dozen screws and raw plugs before offering the cabinet to it and bolting in. The screws and raw plugs are over kill but when you explain it all to your FAO he should be confident that you have thought it through thoroughly and should pass it no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the advice guys, great help! I'm going to ring my local police department Tommorrow and find out , I'm in the Devon and Cornwall Area and apparently there's a 12 week backlog which means I'll be lucky to have my certificate before Christmas ! To avoid condensation could I leave my guns in the slips in the cabinet? Anything else I could do to prevent condensation? definitely don't leave them in slips. you could use a silica gel pack to remove moisture but the best thing is making sure there is adequate ventilation. Edited August 29, 2011 by artschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Thanks alot, why cant you leave in slips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Vp90 to avoid condensation, definitely not in slips, I ruined barrels on a gun once leaving it in the slip in a mates cabinet. Was there for about three weeks and the barrels were spotted with rust. Look up vp90 and put one in your cabinet, that'll do the job nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Skirtinng board is usually 18mm thick, stand the cabinet on the floor and put a piece of 18mm ply behind the cabinet and above the skirting. Draw around the cabinet onto the ply then cut out the ply so it is the exact shape of the cabinet. Get bolts long enough to go into the solid wall, through the ply and into the cabinet. For additional strength I would fix the ply to he wall with half a dozen screws and raw plugs before offering the cabinet to it and bolting in. The screws and raw plugs are over kill but when you explain it all to your FAO he should be confident that you have thought it through thoroughly and should pass it no problem. Thats exactly what i did but with MDF and you can finish with a nice bead of silicon too to slow any pry bars being used.... as for dealing with condensation have search everything from VP90 to carpet lining the cabinet and using low wattage light bulbs or reptile heater pads...... the MDF/ply helps insulate the cabinet from cold walls which reduces the risk of condensation further but £6 for a VP90 sachet that lasts 12 months isnt bad. also dont put wet guns away without drying and oiling. http://www.avalon-guns.com/avalon/info_86120.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Thanks for the link buddy , do I just wipe that over on a cloth or what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Got mine in the loft as i have plasterboard walls so the only place to go really bit of a pain but does the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I don't store my guns in the loft but if I did the first thing I would be checking is that the eaves ventilation wasnt blocked up. good ventilation will stop condensation better than any chemical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 We used to store shotguns in the loft (coach screws to rafters) when in a rented house. I now have my cabinet lifted above the skirting and store cartridges underneath, no bother with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the link buddy , do I just wipe that over on a cloth or what ? VP90? http://www.napieruk.com/acatalog/info_16.html no the sachet you just open and stick in the cabinet! It might be worthless but for £5-6 at a game fair or gun shop (not avalon...) well worth it. You can get spray VP90/Napoer oil and Legia I use legia spray for the gun and VP90 sachet in the cabinet. You must be fairly close to exeter Sportsman do all of this stuff at good prices if your passing Edited August 29, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) It's a hard one, I'd just cut the skirting and then you will def get it granted (That’s what I did and it's flush against the wall. If you ever remove the cabinet in the long run just put a new strip of skirting in... It's pennies! Edited August 29, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I have a piece of timber (ply) the same thickness as the skirting board cut to the same dimensions as my cabinets fitted behind the cabinets which allows me to sit them on the floor. D&C have been happy with this for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linny58 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Mines in the loft no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG6065 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Oh right it soaks up the condensation like a dehumidifier sorta thing? yeah I live right by sportsman I'm about a 5 minute drive , will give it a look, heavitree gun and sport is very good though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 No, VP90 is a rust inhibitor, and produces a vapor that attaches itself to steel preventing rust, def worth the money for a packet approx every 12 months.. If you use a moisture obsorber like silica gel crystals it can draw too much moisture out of the wood, so I would def not use silica gel crystals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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