vengeance111 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Hi everyone, I recently bought a BSA Lightning, and I'm soon about to apply for my FAC. Shooting air rifles at extreme distance is a real hobby of mine, but after about 70 yards they loose their killing power, would it be possible to upgrade the power of a standard lightning to somewhere in the region of 16 ft/lbs ? This is without major modification to the trigger and stock, ect Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Not worth it get a .22lr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Not worth it get a .22lr I'll get one of those as well, but if I'm getting an FAC might as well get the lightning upgraded I also have a slight suspicion it's slightly underpowered at the moment anyway,I'm really just wondering if it's possibly to up the power a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I hope you are not shooting at living creatures at 70yds with a lightning 16ftlbs will make ****** all difference to your effective range and a little gun like the bsa will kick like a mule if given much more poke, 70 yds is getting near the effective range of a 30ftlbs pcp as the pellet will be dropping like a stone and accurate range finding will become tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Hi everyone, I recently bought a BSA Lightning, and I'm soon about to apply for my FAC. Shooting air rifles at extreme distance is a real hobby of mine, but after about 70 yards they loose their killing power, would it be possible to upgrade the power of a standard lightning to somewhere in the region of 16 ft/lbs ? This is without major modification to the trigger and stock, ect Thanks To cut it short , yes it should be possible ,but you will have a usless wreck of a gun after a few shots if you want FAC air in a spring gun the only one to consider is a HW80 nothing else comes even close by all acounts or go PCP. Also when you are talking about airguns only having killing power upto 70yards surely you are not attempting those ranges with a sub 12ft lb rifle such as a lightning ? most responsible airgunners would not even use FAC airguns at those ranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I hope you are not shooting at living creatures at 70yds with a lightning 16ftlbs will make ****** all difference to your effective range and a little gun like the bsa will kick like a mule if given much more poke, 70 yds is getting near the effective range of a 30ftlbs pcp as the pellet will be dropping like a stone and accurate range finding will become tricky. Well I can hit tins accurately to around 110 yards, probably about 140-50 now I've got my new scope and good pellets, and I've killed crows cleanly out to 50 yards , I wouldn't shoot rabbits and squirrels at these ranges, as i find there much harder to kill cleanly. What would you guys say is the max hunting range of a sub 12ft/lbs airgun is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 This guy also seems to do it pretty effectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Hi everyone, I recently bought a BSA Lightning, and I'm soon about to apply for my FAC. Shooting air rifles at extreme distance is a real hobby of mine, but after about 70 yards they loose their killing power, would it be possible to upgrade the power of a standard lightning to somewhere in the region of 16 ft/lbs ? This is without major modification to the trigger and stock, ect Thanks Chap, we all have to start somewhere, but what experience have you had in this Shooting air rifles at extreme distance is a real hobby of mine, nobody stops learning in this business, but that is a complete mess of contradiction, putting a Formula 1 engine in an Austin 7 will not turn it into a racing car. Time to rethink this .... Shooting air rifles at extreme distance is a real hobby of mine, but after about 70 yards they loose their killing power ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I can only say the lightning is jumpy enough already. 70 yds is way too far for 12ftlb anything, indeed its a bit far for 30ftlb in 95% of conditions. Your guns not lacking in Killing power just needs a sensible driver who limits his range to that which he can totally garantee to hit the 1/2"- 1" kill zone. "Serious hobby of mine" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Just noticed this is a first post , are we dealing with a troll chaps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 No I just want to know if I can upgrade my guns power without breaking it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I can only say the lightning is jumpy enough already. 70 yds is way too far for 12ftlb anything, indeed its a bit far for 30ftlb in 95% of conditions. Your guns not lacking in Killing power just needs a sensible driver who limits his range to that which he can totally garantee to hit the 1/2"- 1" kill zone. "Serious hobby of mine" I have one, I admit I'm a tart and struggle with springers these days, but this is not a 70 yard tool, even in Rambo's dreams, and possibly LESS so with a stronger spring up to 16ft lb..... Available... fired less than 20 pellets, just over a year old, as new, not for me.......don't ask...offers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 The OP has now sent me a PM to assure me he is not a troll and has been shooting airguns for 4-5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Didn't think he was a troll, just someone that if you showed 70yds would swear it was 130 I might be wrong and maybe he could do a safe to hunt sub 1" group with a clonky springer and range find perfectly, in which case I recommend taking up hft because he would be uk champ in a flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 No I just want to know if I can upgrade my guns power without breaking it ! Don't bother and it aint gonna get there by over springing it. There is an FAC version but its not for UK sale i believe (i think it may be coz it's junk ) the modifications required should not be given on a forum though IMO. There are only two worthwhile FAC break barrels the HW80 and a gas ram Eliminator reduced to a lower than std level produced by Theoben, the patriot from Webley is well thought of because of its extreame power though a mate has one and i assure you its pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Didn't think he was a troll, just someone that if you showed 70yds would swear it was 130 I might be wrong and maybe he could do a safe to hunt sub 1" group with a clonky springer and range find perfectly, in which case I recommend taking up hft because he would be uk champ in a flash. Agree 101% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyyp Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 To cut it short , yes it should be possible ,but you will have a usless wreck of a gun after a few shots if you want FAC air in a spring gun the only one to consider is a HW80 nothing else comes even close by all acounts or go PCP. Also when you are talking about airguns only having killing power upto 70yards surely you are not attempting those ranges with a sub 12ft lb rifle such as a lightning ? most responsible airgunners would not even use FAC airguns at those ranges iv got a bsa xl tactical there ok but u want bsa r10 pcp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Came across a guy once who had upgraded his Lightning XL to 16 ft/lbs. It was like trying to hold a dog tightly to give it an injection. It just kicked all over the place and was rough as hell to shoot. We couldn't even get a 5 inch group at 25 meters! Even at 12 ft/lbs I still find them a lumpy gun to shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 This guy may (just) not be a troll but he's having a damn good go at it. Been shooting 4-5 years, can hit tins at 110 yards, kill crows at 50 but finds squirrels hard work at this range .............no kidding? You sound like somebody who doesn't give a damn where you hit the quarry. IF you're serious and not a troll, listen to all the advice and forget FACing the Lightning, get a Theoben, HW80 or RWS Airking, better still go pneumatic. Oh and get a tape measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxnet22 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Well I can hit tins accurately to around 110 yards, probably about 140-50 now I've got my new scope and good pellets, and I've killed crows cleanly out to 50 yards , I wouldn't shoot rabbits and squirrels at these ranges, as i find there much harder to kill cleanly. What would you guys say is the max hunting range of a sub 12ft/lbs airgun is ? [/quote myself i would consider 35yrds to be a clean kill distance for sub 12ft/lbs anything else use f.a.c. rated air rifle or .22 rimmy thats my personall opinion to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I second what Foxnet says. I can hit targets at well past 50, but I wouldn't ever try and hit anything living at more than 35 with sub 12. If you want an FAC springer get a gas ram or an HW80. In the US the new Crosman gas ram is quoted as being 22 ft-lb. My 634 is available in over 12 ft-lb according to the Czech owners club. If thats true they must tune the daylights out of the internals to be able to hit anything, and the 634 is probably more accurate than a Lightning. Taping out your favourite spots on your permission is also a good idea. What are your new scope and pellets, please? I am looking to upgrade the glassware on one of my rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I use a Nikko Stirling Mountmaster 3- 9 x 50 and while its not as good as some of the 100 quid plus scopes out there, for 45 with mounts it s a bargain, and compared to my old scope its amazing I also use RWS Superfield pellets, but the accuracy isn't that much better than the much cheaper eley wasp ones i also use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Cheers mate, sounds like a winner. I have a Stirling 3-9 x 40 on the Star that must be 20 years old, good to know that they are still a bargain. I will look into a 50. I used to use Wasps in my Brum Superstar when they were Eley, but now that Bisley make them, the quality seems a bit poor. They are still a cheap for a 5.6 pellet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted November 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 yeah 5 quid a tin is the lowest price pellets ive seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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