Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The saga of the pistol hunt continues. I got my hands on a chrono this weekend and was unpleasantly surprised with less than 400fps from the HW45 (177). I allways thought of them doing 500+. My friends of years ago certainly did and was very effective. I have tried a new spring in mine also but shoots no different all be it more accuratly. Replaced the breech seal too! With bearly 3ft/lb I am no longer prepared to hunt with this pistol, that is no good. The sucess I have had with it is now to me nothing short of a miracle and it also makes me wonder how much better it could of been! Maybe I should of bought an Alectra or an old Scorpion! Underdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 In my opinion or course , its a miracle to get good clean kills with a pistol with 6ft/lbs anyway let alone 3 as you have stated , just goes to show you could have just wounded a fair few animals with very low power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have a CO2 pistol in .20 that makes 5.5ft/lbs, still not enough to hunt with but a good plinker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 There must be VERY few situations where an air pistol could be considered the appropriate hunting tool. VERY few get anywhere close to 6ft lb and they are much less accurate than air rifles in most peoples hands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul101 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Pistols are for target shooting not for hunting, with a reasonable range of 10-15 yards what would you be hunting? The're neither accurate enough or powerful enough to kill outright. they cause more injuries than kills which gives airgun hunting a bad reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 heres a question (not that it makes any odds to me either way) if underdog got say one of them realy short falcon pre-charged rifles (12 ft/lbs) and put a pistol grip on it,but had a fixed steel bar sticking out the back making the whole gun as long as the minimum length for an air rifle would this be classed as a legal gun in the eyes of the law?.......it just seems a way that pistol style shooting could be done whilst still having enough power to roll things over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I hear what you fellers are saying but please bare in mind my intention to use a pistol is at very close range. I am fortunate in that some places I can get real close to rabbits, less than 10yards sometimes. I wanted the pistol as a side arm when out with a fox or deer rifle hoping to benefit from a oppurtunity to bag a close rabbit relatively quietly. It's nothing new to me, I use to do it way back when,,,, Some folks take rabbits to 40yds or so with an air rifle, head shots no problems in the right conditions. The pellets performance will be getting close to the same at 40yds from a rifle as a pistol (5ft/lb+)upto near 10yds I think! Someone correct me if wrong please. Yes I do take shooting seriously, the responcibility to shoot good for the sake of being humane is very important. Besides, whats the point in trying if you know you have not got a reasonable chance. Thats why I have practiced and practiced, fiddled, tuned etc etc. And after all that this pistol at great expense for me don't qualify, that is the hard conclusion I have had to come too. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 heres a question (not that it makes any odds to me either way) if underdog got say one of them realy short falcon pre-charged rifles (12 ft/lbs) and put a pistol grip on it,but had a fixed steel bar sticking out the back making the whole gun as long as the minimum length for an air rifle would this be classed as a legal gun in the eyes of the law?.......it just seems a way that pistol style shooting could be done whilst still having enough power to roll things over. Good one, however it was nice tucking the pistol away in a small canvas bag out the way. A bit like my muzzle loader bag. This left me free to bring the rifle into place when needed, damn fox's U. Maybe it just time to shelve it and move on U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Underdog, that paints a clearer picture. So you could be holed up waiting for a fox to show when a rabbit pops up 10yds away. I can see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Underdog, that paints a clearer picture. So you could be holed up waiting for a fox to show when a rabbit pops up 10yds away. I can see that Yeah, happens all the time, I get a bit fed up going home empty handed waiting for a fox some numpty has educated to the lamp and squeal. Especially when I can sell it I just did a simple experiment. I put some light oil in the chamber to make it diesel some. Interestingly alot of smoke is present in the spring! The piston seal must be leaking alot! Hmmm, time to start the lathe! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I just feathered the edges of the piston seal and retried with induced dieseling and now have no smoke the wrong side of the piston, brill, err no! Absolutly no velocity change once the dieseling had cleared I could strip this thing with my eye's shut! U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 i really cant believe what i read sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) i really cant believe what i read sometimes. Me too 10 yard rabbit or not air pistols have no place in hunting except shooting squirrels/rats caught in live catch cages perhaps, then you go and say you are delibrately trying to make it diesel which could quite easily take it way over the legal limit and if not will make the pistol about as accurate as a catapult with one elastic six inches longer than the other, ever heard of the saying engage brain first speak second ? Edited October 23, 2011 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 To be honest, 10 yards with a pistol will have the same power and accuracy as a rifle at 35 yards, so as long as he doesn't stray from these ranges it shouldn't be too bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 To be honest, 10 yards with a pistol will have the same power and accuracy as a rifle at 35 yards, so as long as he doesn't stray from these ranges it shouldn't be too bad can you hit a 5 pence piece at 10 yards with a pistol every time? i know i can with a scoped rifle, but not with a pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 You have to ask yourself if this is a responsible attitude for some one who has a fac perhaps his local feo should be informed of his total disregard for his quarry ITS NOT BIG ITS NOT CLEVER ITS JUST STUPID ! WHATS MORE PUBLICLY WRITING ABOUT THIS IS EVEN WORSE COME ON MODS PULL THIS THREAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 can you hit a 5 pence piece at 10 yards with a pistol every time? i know i can with a scoped rifle, but not with a pistol. can you hit the 5 pence at 35-40 yards every time with a rifle though ? and also I can hit a inch circle with a bb pistol every time Im not saying you should shoot things with an airpistol, but at less than 10 yards I think it would be pretty humane if you got it in the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 can you hit the 5 pence at 35-40 yards every time with a rifle though ? and also I can hit a inch circle with a bb pistol every time Im not saying you should shoot things with an airpistol, but at less than 10 yards I think it would be pretty humane if you got it in the head Firstly, at 40 yards, id (me personaly) us the rimfire. Could i shoot at 40 yeards? yeah, i could, but wouldnt. again, some people dont really understand how far 40 yards is. regardless of what people on here say, thats not easy at all. to repete a 10 yard shot with a pistol is far from easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'm not saying its a good thing to do at all, but if this underdog bloke is confident in hitting that kill zone every time at 10 yards, then let him do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 well, what can i say. there are them that talk it, and them that do it. Maybe they should stick to talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Firstly, at 40 yards, id (me personaly) us the rimfire. Could i shoot at 40 yeards? yeah, i could, but wouldnt. again, some people dont really understand how far 40 yards is. regardless of what people on here say, thats not easy at all. to repete a 10 yard shot with a pistol is far from easy. From where I'm from thats called a cop out! If you need a rimmy after 40yds freind you need some practice but it's ok, fine, I don't have a problem with it. Would you tarr me with the same brush if I said I use my rimmy beyond 150yds on eradication jobs U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I find some of what you say hard to believe underdog, how many rabbits did you wound with that pistol ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 From where I'm from thats called a cop out! If you need a rimmy after 40yds freind you need some practice but it's ok, fine, I don't have a problem with it. Would you tarr me with the same brush if I said I use my rimmy beyond 150yds on eradication jobs U. Yup! trust me, i do enough 'practice'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I find some of what you say hard to believe underdog, how many rabbits did you wound with that pistol ? One ran off after I think it was struck on an ear and a squirrel got away once, my dog was on it but it made a hole. Three pigeons and a magpie are down too, it's taken two squirrels and two rabbits before being retired. I wish to emphasise it again I have struggled with this highly regarded pistol for weeks now. My last rabbit taken was yesterday, 7yds side o' head. Rolled him over a treat. Apart from that a niggle has not left me with regard to this particular pistol hence me borrowing a chrono to test it with. During yesterday apart from taking that last rabbit I had to make a decision, and my decision was it is not fast enough to aid in humanely doing the task in question. Accuracy is not in doubt, if that was not present the whole task just would not happen period. I got the accuracy sorted but something was still missing-velocity. These HW45's in my opinion are not what they use to be. If folk want to condemn someone without a fair hearing and jump to all sorts of conclusions then thats their short coming not mine. If you remember my original post with the picture was headed "that was hard" because it was bloody hard work in getting the pistol to achieve that, we now know why and it's life as a plinker has just started. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 A Full bore pistol is called a 7 Metre Gun - Close Combat I shoot a Lot of Pistol including Pistol HFT IPAS & PP Pistol - mostly using Pistol Class 6mm Pistols Check out the Brococks Contour Rifle - even XL is suitable to shooting from Vehicles as use one myself for that purpose Come in close to Sub 12FP with correct pellets and can be Also Rate as FAC and Legal - BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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