CharlieT Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Depends on the deer and the type of vmax Charlie I'm afraid. I was not aware of a V Max that was designed for large game, I thought they were all "varmint" as our friends across the pond would say. Now if you really mean ballistic tips, then yes I agree as I have found ballistic tips designed for deer to be excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 the people that do it are to my mind shooting them like rabbits, hence they don't have any formal deer training behind them. Was wondering when the 'never take a head shot brigade' would drag out the orange box, A totally stupid comment Al4x, it takes an extremely competent and focused shot to decide when its appropriate. I have head and neck shot deer, not many but when the situation arises then I will take it and then only from a highseat or solid rest, and luckily, so far I havent missed. You can tell when a deer is totally focus on you and is trying to stay still or work out what you are. It is the most humane shot for a deer but also the most risky, but sometimes a heart/lung shot isnt possible. One thing is for sure Al4x, its a shot you should probably avoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 we aren't talking the right shot for the moment we've got people who only take those shots. In the right conditions I would but I wouldn't go posting tripe on the net about them being the perfect shot and never getting runners as they will and when you do it'll be a runner you will be very lucky to catch up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Was wondering when the 'never take a head shot brigade' would drag out the orange box, A totally stupid comment Al4x, it takes an extremely competent and focused shot to decide when its appropriate. I have head and neck shot deer, not many but when the situation arises then I will take it and then only from a highseat or solid rest, and luckily, so far I havent missed. You can tell when a deer is totally focus on you and is trying to stay still or work out what you are. It is the most humane shot for a deer but also the most risky, but sometimes a heart/lung shot isnt possible. One thing is for sure Al4x, its a shot you should probably avoid There is some contradiction here, talk of only when there is a good rest infers you think it an accuraccy thing i don't believe it is, the std is not that high- judging the deer is the hard bit. Most deer/hunter organisations worldwide would disagree with the statement "most humane" indeed i got a tirade comeing from a Hunting guide who stayed with us a few years back from Sweeden about the Saumi people shooting only this way to save meat and skins and how wrong it was, it was also a disaplinary for forestry com. culling i am not sure if that still stands or not today. The only real pressure to head/high neck shoot comes from game dealers who want the most meat for thier money and such dealers should be boycotted by true sportsmen IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 There is some contradiction here, talk of only when there is a good rest infers you think it an accuraccy thing i don't believe it is, the std is not that high- judging the deer is the hard bit. Most deer/hunter organisations worldwide would disagree with the statement "most humane" indeed i got a tirade comeing from a Hunting guide who stayed with us a few years back from Sweeden about the Saumi people shooting only this way to save meat and skins and how wrong it was, it was also a disaplinary for forestry com. culling i am not sure if that still stands or not today. The only real pressure to head/high neck shoot comes from game dealers who want the most meat for thier money and such dealers should be boycotted by true sportsmen IMO kent its not always about being sportsmen what about people meeting cull figures and sometimes having to take head/neck shots, through the summer months when crop cover is high all you have is high neck to see do you just wait for the crops to be cut before taking any shots ,if you are waiting for the perfect broadside shot you are not going to be shooting many deer now granted most sportsmen have that luxury to take the shot another day but if you are a doing this full time things are abit different.atb wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I was not aware of a V Max that was designed for large game, I thought they were all "varmint" as our friends across the pond would say. Now if you really mean ballistic tips, then yes I agree as I have found ballistic tips designed for deer to be excellent. Not all deer qualify under that measure though. Roe are dinky and muntjac more so. The vmax bullet puts these animals down PDQ. Yes there is more meat damage than a softpoint but they go down PDQ. On larger deer, I agree the vmax is too frangible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I think it is plain to see various people have a different view on the Perfect Shot! Best of luck to you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 No luck needed. The perfect shot is not rocket science, just a shot that hits one of the known kill zones which any practised rifle man can acheive. It's just that some fail or refuse to understand that being somewhat larger than a rabbit, deer, particularly when heart shot, sometimes take a little longer to bleed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 No luck needed. The perfect shot is not rocket science, just a shot that hits one of the known kill zones which any practised rifle man can acheive. It's just that some fail or refuse to understand that being somewhat larger than a rabbit, deer, particularly when heart shot, sometimes take a little longer to bleed out. Charlie, I have no desire to prolong this thread as it is obvious there is a major disagreement in the definition of Perfect shot! To some here the shot is perfect when the deer strolls off for a walk round the countryside , so what do you call a shot where it drops stone dead on the spot? NO argument says both were Perfect, SOMETHING was different! That was the purpose of the original post which many seem to have lost/ignored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 kent its not always about being sportsmen what about people meeting cull figures and sometimes having to take head/neck shots, through the summer months when crop cover is high all you have is high neck to see do you just wait for the crops to be cut before taking any shots ,if you are waiting for the perfect broadside shot you are not going to be shooting many deer now granted most sportsmen have that luxury to take the shot another day but if you are a doing this full time things are abit different.atb wayne I actually said True sportsmen should boycot dealers who insist on neck and head not true sportsmen shouldnt neck shoot. I have and still will take neck shots were applicable and yes there are places,times and circumstances were it is appropriate. Unlike some though i limit it not select it out of prefference and don't feel the need to brag about it in the slightest. I never brain shoot unless coupe de gra as mentioned i do believe this is not the correct thing to do on deer and i don't think onlookers (who might be watching from afar without you knowing) would like to see the wild leaps and flips and manic automatic thrashings deer can perform when this is done- i dont even like it myself to be fair yeah i am saying that from first hand experiance, we all learn in time. I know what cull target are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Charlie, I have no desire to prolong this thread as it is obvious there is a major disagreement in the definition of Perfect shot! To some here the shot is perfect when the deer strolls off for a walk round the countryside , so what do you call a shot where it drops stone dead on the spot? NO argument says both were Perfect, SOMETHING was different! That was the purpose of the original post which many seem to have lost/ignored! I take your point, I think it is more down to the deer, and level of adrenaline etc. the shot is the same, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I actually said True sportsmen should boycot dealers who insist on neck and head not true sportsmen shouldnt neck shoot. I have and still will take neck shots were applicable and yes there are places,times and circumstances were it is appropriate. Unlike some though i limit it not select it out of prefference and don't feel the need to brag about it in the slightest. I never brain shoot unless coupe de gra as mentioned i do believe this is not the correct thing to do on deer and i don't think onlookers (who might be watching from afar without you knowing) would like to see the wild leaps and flips and manic automatic thrashings deer can perform when this is done- i dont even like it myself to be fair yeah i am saying that from first hand experiance, we all learn in time. I know what cull target are sorry kent i missread your post ,i do think too many people brag about head shooting everything i also agree it all depends on the situation your in .i think newcomers should be educated in what happens during and after a shot on follow up and what to do when certain things happen if people are prepared they are less likely to go to pieces i have been fortunate enough to start with the people i did and have made good friends along the way atb.wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Ok, this is a bit of a follow on from ............... 243 and Deer (Guns & Equipment) ...but it is mentioned a lot! I hear PERFECT SHOT and had to chase if for miles all the time. Can someone please tell me what this is all about, the furthest I have ever had to chase a deer of any sort was about 20 yards. Mine almost always drop on the spot, or leap in the air and fall in a heap. So how come, mine fall down and everyone else has to chase theirs round the countryside. Did you use the wrong ammo, was the shot not as perfect as everyone suggests it was, or was the animal pumped up for whatever reason, etc, etc! The words Perfect shot and chasing deer don't sit well together for me! Charlie, I have no desire to prolong this thread as it is obvious there is a major disagreement in the definition of Perfect shot! To some here the shot is perfect when the deer strolls off for a walk round the countryside , so what do you call a shot where it drops stone dead on the spot? NO argument says both were Perfect, SOMETHING was different! That was the purpose of the original post which many seem to have lost/ignored! I take your point, I think it is more down to the deer, and level of adrenaline etc. the shot is the same, surely? My point entirely, as per my opening post, the shooter did not see or take into account the state of the deer..... Perfect Shot is being defined by many as.................. it went where I aimed.................I struggle to accept that as the perfect shot when a deer strolls off, as all factors were not taken into account (or missed altogether) when taking the shot, hence less than perfect! That's why this thread will go nowhere as too many do see that as the perfect shot Yes, I have ****** up on one deer, VERY badly shot for some reason, ran off into the woods NEVER to be seen again, but do I suggest it was the perfect shot, NOT a chance, I ****** up somehow or somewhere. EVERY other deer I have shot got no further than about 20 yards (NOT 40-60-80-100-200 etc yards), the majority not taking a step! That's why I don't get all these claims of Perfect shot and chasing deer. But I would still suggest I have never had more than a handful of PERFECT shots on deer, and I didn't have to light a Cigar and wait for any of them!! Anyway, time to move on, too many perfect shots around here who enjoy strolling round the country looking for blood trails. Edited November 8, 2011 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 My point entirely, as per my opening post, the shooter did not see or take into account the state of the deer..... Perfect Shot is being defined by many as.................. it went where I aimed.................I struggle to accept that as the perfect shot when a deer strolls off, as all factors were not taken into account (or missed altogether) when taking the shot, hence less than perfect! That's why this thread will go nowhere as too many do see that as the perfect shot Yes, I have ****** up on one deer, VERY badly shot for some reason, ran off into the woods NEVER to be seen again, but do I suggest it was the perfect shot, NOT a chance, I ****** up somehow or somewhere. EVERY other deer I have shot got no further than about 20 yards (NOT 40-60-80-100-200 etc yards), the majority not taking a step! That's why I don't get all these claims of Perfect shot and chasing deer. But I would still suggest I have never had more than a handful of PERFECT shots on deer, and I didn't have to light a Cigar and wait for any of them!! Anyway, time to move on, too many perfect shots around here who enjoy strolling round the country looking for blood trails. youb are so full of bull its unreal,you contridick yourself so much "never had to chase a beast" your opening post clearly states "the furthest I have ever had to chase a deer of any sort was about 20 yards" be it 20 years or 200 yards YOU NEVER havnt got a clue shoot enough deer you will get a runner be it 20 yards or 200 yards,it matters not,what matters is how you deal with it. a pefect shot is a dead beast,found delt with and back in the larder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 My point entirely, as per my opening post, the shooter did not see or take into account the state of the deer..... Perfect Shot is being defined by many as.................. it went where I aimed.................I struggle to accept that as the perfect shot when a deer strolls off, as all factors were not taken into account (or missed altogether) when taking the shot, hence less than perfect! That's why this thread will go nowhere as too many do see that as the perfect shot Yes, I have ****** up on one deer, VERY badly shot for some reason, ran off into the woods NEVER to be seen again, but do I suggest it was the perfect shot, NOT a chance, I ****** up somehow or somewhere. EVERY other deer I have shot got no further than about 20 yards (NOT 40-60-80-100-200 etc yards), the majority not taking a step! That's why I don't get all these claims of Perfect shot and chasing deer. But I would still suggest I have never had more than a handful of PERFECT shots on deer, and I didn't have to light a Cigar and wait for any of them!! Anyway, time to move on, too many perfect shots around here who enjoy strolling round the country looking for blood trails. If it looks like it, smells like it, it probebly is it. Sorry ,very sorry but i cannot swallow that its "it" as far as i am conserned. All your deer are totally unerved, never rutting, and the furthest ran 20yds ! - the deer down south must be a bit soft or something. You say you have only ever failed to recover one, wonder why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Magic bullets or BS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Magic bullets or BS.... I think we all know the answer to that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 youb are so full of bull its unreal,you contridick yourself so much "never had to chase a beast" your opening post clearly states "the furthest I have ever had to chase a deer of any sort was about 20 yards" be it 20 years or 200 yards YOU NEVER havnt got a clue shoot enough deer you will get a runner be it 20 yards or 200 yards,it matters not,what matters is how you deal with it. a pefect shot is a dead beast,found delt with and back in the larder No contradiction, just a reality check where I accept that I badly shot ONE deer, he disappeared and was long gone, that wasn't a perfect shot, it wasn't a blood trail, it was a **** up, I accept, the shot went wrong big time for some reason. EVERY other Deer I have shot dropped or got no further than 20 yards. You seem to have to go looking for them all the time, you crack on and cause as much pain and suffering as you like, I prefer to see the lights go out! Oh silly me, it doesn't hurt them at all running off stressed and bleeding to death BADLY shot by you does it, you find them eventually sometimes and get them in the larder, and thats all that matters to you! I'm bored to death with you and for some reason the Ignore button hasn't worked, if you want to continue your inane ramblings kindly do it by pm direct to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 No contradiction, just a reality check where I accept that I badly shot ONE deer, he disappeared and was long gone, that wasn't a perfect shot, it wasn't a blood trail, it was a **** up, I accept, the shot went wrong big time for some reason. EVERY other Deer I have shot dropped or got no further than 20 yards. You seem to have to go looking for them all the time, you crack on and cause as much pain and suffering as you like, I prefer to see the lights go out! Oh silly me, it doesn't hurt them at all running off stressed and bleeding to death BADLY shot by you does it, you find them eventually sometimes and get them in the larder, and thats all that matters to you! I'm bored to death with you and for some reason the Ignore button hasn't worked, if you want to continue your inane ramblings kindly do it by pm direct to me! every other deer you ahve shot dont you mean the only other deer you have shot again where did I say I alwasy have runners ?? again you are posting bull.Ive shot enough deer to have had runners,shoot enough and you will find out,its alrerady been explained to you and others what happens,obvioulsy your inexperience is showing badly yes I too am bored to death with your pethetic jibes and stupid comments please hit the ignore button,and its a good job you didnt show at Bisley,thats all I will say on the matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Time someone closed this one down, it's a shame some of you perfect shots didn't spend more time at reading and comprehension lessons, many of you have still only read what you want in my posts. No point in suggesting you read them again more carefully, you all know best! Did you use the wrong ammo, was the shot not as perfect as everyone suggests it was, or was the animal pumped up for whatever reason, etc, etc! The words Perfect shot and chasing deer don't sit well together for me! Enjoy strolling round the countryside looking for your deer! You DON'T get runners with PERFECT SHOTS, its just that many here apparently do! We differ greatly in our definition! Edited November 8, 2011 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Time someone closed this one down, it's a shame some of you perfect shots didn't spend more time at reading and comprehension lessons, many of you have still only read what you want in my posts. No point in suggesting you read them again more carefully, you all know best! Did you use the wrong ammo, was the shot not as perfect as everyone suggests it was, or was the animal pumped up for whatever reason, etc, etc! The words Perfect shot and chasing deer don't sit well together for me! Enjoy strolling round the countryside looking for your deer! You DON'T get runners with PERFECT SHOTS, its just that many here apparently do! We differ greatly in our definition! Mods, Please don't close this one its what he wants Ackers whatever your saying please lay off your just to good at getting the neat stuff closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I see Billy the walt is in town again . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Thought a kill shot would be good enough this perfect shot garbage is nonsense. Deer run on after being hit with kill shots as do elk, caribou and moose other times they drop stone dead on the spot. I don't think the amount of experience you have in stalking deer or numbers killed makes little difference to this fact. I'm sure if I asked anyone with half a brain if they though any animal might run on after being mortally wounded they would say yes. I'm sure many people on here would love to be taught how to drop deer stone dead where they stand with your perfect shot theory in the meantime we will just continue taking kill shots LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Cant believe how you are all missing the point ONCE AGAIN, its quite obvious the perfect shot must be DEKERS.......thats why he never gets runners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Cant believe how you are all missing the point ONCE AGAIN, its quite obvious the perfect shot must be DEKERS.......thats why he never gets runners. of course how stupid can we all be,Dekers is the "perfect shot" or is it the perfect ---- a man who never gets runner,a shooting instructor,a vermin controller,a deer mentor (oh god thats a joke)chairman of a gun club ect ect ect and not forgeting a published wrighter in the shooting press (which no one has ever seen) of course its "dekers" I don my hat at his amazing talents,stand back its super dekers Edited November 8, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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