cockercas Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 sorry nick. i just checked. it was not you who posted that. apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 sounds like a very good idea, time some one got to the bottom of this issue if my calculations are correct it will require 2 1/2 kilo of gelatin for 3no 6x6x18 inch blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 If you're looking for a large inanimate useless object to test on there's a certain Cumbrian MP who springs to mind, if it hurts you could always give him some Calpol afterwards .................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Could we not use a bit of pig ( I know were to get some) like they do in mythbusters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowz Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Off of another forum a little while ago Gents, For those who may be interested I have cut longitudinal sections through AMax and VMax bullets. The top section is of a 224 AMax 52gr and the bottom a 224 VMax 55 gr. The bullets were embedded in Epoxy resin in a piece of PVC and machined on a vertical mill with a endmill cutter. There appears to be very little difference between the two and the performance may well be the same. I have no experience, as yet, of comparing these two bullets in field conditions, so I leave it to the experts on this Forum. I hope that this is of some interest. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytim38 Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Just the boatail and ogive as Nick says, need to do sosme ballistic gel tests to see how they perform Edited January 7, 2012 by tinytim38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Reply Joseph the A-Max bullet has one criteria it has to meet and this is accuracy we do no expansion testing with these bullets when they are building them. Were the V-Max bullets have to meet a expansion testing with the accuracy that we have set for it and there are some gel tests on the law enforcement section of our Web Site Thanks??http://www.hornadyle.com/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 amazing! so we really do have to test them ourselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 That reply does stand to reason, why would the manufacturer test target bullets on live quarry (H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Why wouldn't they? If you make a bullet, surely you'd want to know as much about it's characteristics as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Well, quite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I would expect them to test them in gel at least I can test them on live animals if they like :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Why wouldn't they? If you make a bullet, surely you'd want to know as much about it's characteristics as possible. exactly what i thort, so in theory A-max could have better expansion then V-max. but then if it did expand better would it be classed as expanding ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 No, because it would still not be DESIGNED to expand, which is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why wouldn't they? If you make a bullet, surely you'd want to know as much about it's characteristics as possible. cost and time. To get statistically significant results, they would need to test a couple dozen of the same bullet (weight and caliber) at the design veolcity (which means also handloading all of these bullets). Now figure how many bullets they manufacture (not just Amax) and you can see that they need to spend a lot of man hours testing already. If the bullet is designed for accuracy only, then don't waste time testing it for something that you'll never see a benefit from. If they wanted to market the bullets as varmint bullets or big game heads at some point in the future, then they would want to test it (and see a benefit from increased sales). Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 so in theory A-max could have better expansion then V-max. Trust me A Max's expansion is far more controlled than V Max, more like a soft point in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 To use Vmax you need expanding on your FAC. Vmax bullets (heads) count as loaded ammo for FAC purposes re max carrying. A max ok to use on ranges as it was designed for target use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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