EdSolomons Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Bang on. The shot travels the same distance but an open pattern is no good at range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 God i am getting good lol Thanks. I'll buy you all a mars bar if I bump into any of you lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwie Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Like everyone else has said just get another 1/4 and just have 1/4 1/4 . Never forget I was helping on my mates farm where he has a clay shoot we came back to the farm to refill some clay traps and there was a group of 4 shooters all stood at the high tower stand with my mates dad with them telling him that to hit that clay constantly you would need 32g of no6 with at least 1/2 mates dad called me over and said shoot that so I did hit hit, do it again hit hit again hit hit was using his learner gun skeet skeet with 24g 7's it's where you put it that counts I always use improved and 1/4 only ever change choke for when I shoot game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 So know mater what choke you use they will all reach the same distance? So if that is correct (not saying your wrong) you want a tighter choke on the long ones purely so at the clay its a tighter pattern so the clay dose not go through the middle or something stupid. Only think this is due to you saying its more to do with patten than range? So am I right or wrong. lol You are right, whatever choke you use will break the clays at any distance, and yes, the shot can pass right round the clay with an open choke with a distant target. In the ideal world, you'd change the chokes for that particular target, but it's not worth it. A wide choke will generally be better for sporting, as it's best for the close targets and not likely to miss many long ones, though it's possible. Don't worry about what you use, just aim round the 1/4 and cylinder mark, you won't go wrong. If/when you get good, perhaps 1/4 and 1/2, but it really doesn't matter that much. You can hit every target with full choke (it can be quite satisfying, dusting them), but it can be harder. That said, sometimes I've used my old sxs with 1/2 and very full, and hit as many as with that as with cylinder and 1/4. It's not that important, and I wouldn't waste money buying a certain choke either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 not fully in agreement with the bold text Bedwards, whatever choke will break any target....."thats a long shot" excuse the pun. consider yourself lucky if you run two skeet chokes and consistently break 65/70yd plus targets, these tubes/chokes are made for a reason, they work well at different ranges, keeping not only a tighter pattern, but a more uniform one as well, its all well and good throwing in a tight tube if you know how it shoots, what i havent heard yet on here is how many of you pattern your guns?? I've been making chokes now for a number of years, Browning Berreta, Kolar, Krieghoff, Perrazzi, to name a few, all my chokes are set to guns with known bores, i like to measure myself and then make to suit, that way i know the constriction is relative to the bore its being built for, i run mostly extended tubes of around 1" minimum, plus 2" if you want, all run a parralel section of 50/50, that is to say after the constriction a straight section allows the shot to relax/stabilize before exiting the muzzles, and all are patterned. Patterning a gun is a good thing when you shoot higher volumes and compete at higher levels, its good to know the gun is hitting where your pointing, and beleive it or not chokes will influence the POI if they ae lose fitting or damaged in anyway. i know a number of guys here say screw it, leave it alone and shoot, you will hit it if you point in the right direction, i agree to an extent, but for a new shooter two of the same will work well enough a little constriction like I/C .01" and off you go. a pic of my desk shows a bunch of Spares lying around the place, maybe i should get Teal a set for a competition he could run, just need to get them overseas somehow. Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Without going of subject or hijacking the post could I get a choke opened up as I only have improved and full I was thinking about getting the full one modified and idea how , where and how much Or should I just get on and use them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Without going of subject or hijacking the post could I get a choke opened up as I only have improved and full I was thinking about getting the full one modified and idea how , where and how much Or should I just get on and use them Not sure if you're referring to fixed or multi, former is openable, latter is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Without going of subject or hijacking the post could I get a choke opened up as I only have improved and full I was thinking about getting the full one modified and idea how , where and how much Or should I just get on and use them In a fixed choke gun yes you can best to get it regulated (this requires patterning the gun not just cutting the choke away) http://www.teagueprecisionchokesltd.co.uk/choke_adjustments_&_specialist_regulating.html a pic of my desk shows a bunch of Spares lying around the place, maybe i should get Teal a set for a competition he could run, just need to get them overseas somehow. Martin. Martin if you have some your willing to send over then I am sure someone can test them out at the charity shoot or similar, if you have any spare INVECTOR fittings I'll gladly test them against teague and standards for you. Just stick them in a box and UPS them as "engineering samples $0.00 value" Edited January 10, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 HDAV, i have investor plus system only for Browning, will they work for you? im sure we can come up with something that someone could enjoy. Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Shame mine are INVECTOR the older shorter design partly hence my interest in longer tubes, I am sure there are some much better shots than me that can make use of some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 well, i'll see if i can find and older style choke and get something going for you, in the mean time i will put something together for you guys and the next charity shoot. Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) all the advice given is ok for clays ,but if your shooting wood pigeons go for 1/2 or 3/4.(if multi choke) 1 or 2 bits of shot will break a clay but may not kill a real bird.(outright) (but you will have grasped that,from what you have posted) Edited January 10, 2012 by mr salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Sound like we all know where to get choke from.... Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 What's all this inventor and investor fittings?? Take it different gun manufacturer use different fitting type? But all do the same thing and are on size I.e 1/4 and 1/2 and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 i was back in the UK mid December for a wedding, went to the Mendip shooting club for a Saturdays fun, met with a few guys and had a blast on the sporting layout, not changed much from the last time i shot it the year before but fun none the less, took a look in the shop and was a little taken back by the cost of Chokes there, didnt realize you guys paid so much for them, may have to start an export trading company for chokes serioulsy though on average what is the "normal/average" cost of a pair of tubes for a gun there, and i do understand the different horses for courses before that kicks off, in general. Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Would think about 25-30 quid a pop from anyone decent. Haven't bought any for years! Edited January 10, 2012 by EdSolomons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 What's all this inventor and investor fittings?? Take it different gun manufacturer use different fitting type? But all do the same thing and are on size I.e 1/4 and 1/2 and so on Invector and invector plus are Browning Miroku chokes the choke is different fitting for most gun makes some share such as browning miroku, beretta and benelli share a few types i think. but most are individual. The constrictions vary slightly and the true choke is a combination of choke constriction and cartridge and the resulting pattern. so you need to check a specific cart to a choke, some pattern tighter than others for the same constrictions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_(firearms) quite good explination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 serioulsy though on average what is the "normal/average" cost of a pair of tubes for a gun there, and i do understand the different horses for courses before that kicks off, in general. Martin. Fill your boots http://www.teagueprecisionchokesltdshop.co.uk/store/Home.html teagues are the benchmark i guess, mandel the bottom £25 ish each £110 a set end Browning Titanium are about the most expensive i have seen! http://www.breconretail.co.uk/browning-titanium-chokes-12ga-270-p.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) i forgot to say pattern test your gun with the cartridges you like to use. so you have an idea of what happening .do it at 20 ,30 ,and 40 yrds. fire at a big bit of cardboard so you can clearly see the effect of distance and(on) choke. and the patterns Edited January 10, 2012 by mr salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 The constrictions vary slightly and the true choke is a combination of choke constriction and cartridge and the resulting pattern. so you need to check a specific cart to a choke, some pattern tighter than others for the same constrictions. Choke is just a measurement of constriction dependant on bore size. Without knowing the bore size you can't measure the choke. It's got nothing to do with cartridges or patterning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Choke is just a measurement of constriction dependant on bore size. Without knowing the bore size you can't measure the choke. It's got nothing to do with cartridges or patterning. Actually it's neither. Choke is a measurement of performance. Ie it may be 10 thou tighter than bore (nominal 1/4) but if it puts 70% o the pellets in a 30" circle at 40 yards it's a full. Work on the performance not the measurements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 easy lads hes only just started out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Just been looking at that teague website... Ok you have Flush Extended Ported Extra extended Ported extended So guess the next question??? What's the difference? Sorry all ways be the same I love to learn things and all ways go way into things so I fully understand how they work Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Choke is just a measurement of constriction dependant on bore size. Without knowing the bore size you can't measure the choke. It's got nothing to do with cartridges or patterning. I disagree choke is constriction at the Muzzle end. (thats its). It's purpose is to give a pattern, the amount of constriction required to give a certain pattern distribution at certain distance is relative to the gun and cartridge load (shot size/powder/wad). Regardless of the constriction its the distribution of the pattern that matters. so the designation of fractions is poor because they fractions of nothing, there is no defined 1, so impossible to define a fraction of 1. There is a 0 "true cylinder"...... Well thats my take on it anyway Edited January 11, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 easy lads hes only just started out! The exact reason I said stick 2x half or so in and forget it- bypasses all this rubbish to fill his head up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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