Thunderbird Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I think this argument will rumble on ad nauseum. It's like if you walked into a pub and some cock-end says 'what do you drive?' and you say 'so and so?' and they say, 'oh they're ****.' Cue pointless circular conversation. Happy Hatsan owner = happy, keeps Hatsan Unhappy Hatsan owner = unhappy, does not keep Hatsan Res Ipsa Loquitur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I think this argument will rumble on ad nauseum. It's like if you walked into a pub and some cock-end says 'what do you drive?' and you say 'so and so?' and they say, 'oh they're ****.' Cue pointless circular conversation. Happy Hatsan owner = happy, keeps Hatsan Unhappy Hatsan owner = unhappy, does not keep Hatsan Res Ipsa Loquitur Its good fun though :lol: On a serious note I bought a brand new SX3 and funny as it may be the choke does come loose with firing (just like my Hatstand) and has obviously to be tightened. I actually use extended Teague chokes because its easier to keep a check on and I think there better than the Winchester chokes. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 In my experience all m/c chokes work loose with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MITCHF Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I don't think any hatsan user is under the illusion that their gun is the best out there, but with many in this thread/poll recording very little to no faults on a gun that cost £350~ new, we cant complain. the point is, ANYBODY claming to know about the MAJORITY of hatsans and their saftey/fault record based on forum posts/forum polls or word of mouth is talking rubbish. Well said, but what a hilarious thread, some proper loon's on here:lol: :lol: Edited January 21, 2012 by MITCHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Dekers isn't a loon mate he watched his lad nearly get fatally injured so i can understand his hatred of hatsans, hopefully though it will stop comment claiming all hatsans are rubbish as the proof is here now. And hopefully people will check there chokes more regularly too! Edited January 20, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I was in the gunshop the other day and they had a new shipment in from Edgar Brothers. They sell Beretta, Browning and others and I asked what do they sell the most of and they replied Hatsans. It's their biggest selling gun. As others have said they're not the best gun in the world but for £400 it's very good value. Perhaps it's the sheer volume of guns they sell that accounts for the "vocal naysayers"? Who knows? However I'm happy with mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Not got one myself but been shooting a couple of times in the last week with a guy who has just brought a new one and he is far from happy with it ,on the first two occasions it has been used it has had a number of jams (70mm 28gr carts)the bolt keeps slamming back of its own accord twice trapping his finger in the process today he recieved a very nasty cut that bled like a good un ,I believe the gun is going back where it came from. this was brought for £300 brand new out of that £300 hatsan has made money the importer has made money and the gun dealer has made money I would think it highly likely that materials cost could be no more than £50-£75 how can you make a decent gun for that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 The very fact that there's a thread like this says enough to me about Hatsans. There are plenty of cheap semi's/pumps on the market (Armsan, Baikal, W&S, Mossberg) yet they just don't get the same bad press as Hatsans on here, or any other forum for that matter. Can't think why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 The very fact that there's a thread like this says enough to me about Hatsans. There are plenty of cheap semi's/pumps on the market (Armsan, Baikal, W&S, Mossberg) yet they just don't get the same bad press as Hatsans on here, or any other forum for that matter. Can't think why? no one who owns a hatsan thinks they are an amazing high quality piece of kit but what 80% of us obviously think is that we got a perfectly adequate gun which for most represents value for money. Baikals only issue has been there looks as there quality has stood the test of time. Same with mossberg there ugly but there's a reason most forces around the world have or do use them. Baikals and mossbergs are workhorses. And i guess the poll should show you you may be wrong about hatsans nearly 80% of owners have never had an issues so i guess this thread does speak for its self regarding the quality of them. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 no one who owns a hatsan thinks they are an amazing high quality piece of kit but what 80% of us obviously think is that we got a perfectly adequate gun which for most represents value for money. Baikals only issue has been there looks as there quality has stood the test of time. Same with mossberg there ugly but there's a reason most forces around the world have or do use them. Baikals and mossbergs are workhorses. And i guess the poll should show you you may be wrong about hatsans nearly 80% of owners have never had an issues so i guess this thread does speak for its self regarding the quality of them. Gary Gary, You're missing my point. I can understand someone on a budget buying a Hatsan, (and as you say they're an adequate gun for the money) but I still think a 20% failure rate is incredibly high for a £400 gun. The other guns I mentioned, in a similar price bracket, just don't have the same problems. They are workhorses, like Hatsans, built to a budget, like Hatsans, and they're ugly.....like Hatsans. With respect, this thread almost seems like a 'justification' for buying a Hatsan. I've never seen a similar thread for any other make. As I've said, I can understand the reasoning behind buying a Hatsan, and I'm not a 'hater' but I do have to ask myself why threads like this exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Gary, You're missing my point. I can understand someone on a budget buying a Hatsan, (and as you say they're an adequate gun for the money) but I still think a 20% failure rate is incredibly high for a £400 gun. The other guns I mentioned, in a similar price bracket, just don't have the same problems. They are workhorses, like Hatsans, built to a budget, like Hatsans, and they're ugly.....like Hatsans. With respect, this thread almost seems like a 'justification' for buying a Hatsan. I've never seen a similar thread for any other make. As I've said, I can understand the reasoning behind buying a Hatsan, and I'm not a 'hater' but I do have to ask myself why threads like this exist? Its not really a justification of owning one mate i was just hoping to prove there not as bad a everyone makes out, when ever a new starter on a budget asks about one the first thing that comes up is don't buy one they all jam they are all useless blah blah blah, a lot of this us hearsay by people who haven't used one. Out of all the people saying the barrels explode or the choke buldge i think there is only two people which have written about an actual experience so i suspect the percentage is actually quite small same with all the other faults 15 people claim to of had faults but only a couple have written there faults. Chokes bulging is really down to manual error not mechanical. chokes come undone in all guns as has been stated above, most peoples 'bad' experience is down to not cycling certain loads yet its a well known issue that is very well document so why don't people use a more suitable load? There was a topic about someones benelli not cycling eley first's i think it was, someone else said there winchester also had problems yet no negative comments was written about them, if that was someone on about a hatsan there would have been 4 pages of negative stuff as many jump on the band waggon. Fact is hatsan is probably the largest selling semi in the country at the minute new and secondhand so they can't be that bad, not perfect but not that bad either. Edited January 21, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MITCHF Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Dekers isn't a loon mate he watched his lad nearly get fatally injured so i can understand his hatred of hatsans, hopefully though it will stop comment claiming all hatsans are rubbish as the proof is here now. And hopefully people will check there chokes more regularly too! Fair call, original post edited, still a usefull post with the Hatsan knockers popping up. Edited January 21, 2012 by MITCHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 20 percent failure rate is one thing a 5 percent life threatening fault is another, sod buying a cheap gun with a history of blowing barres up. You simply don't get this with most makes unless you do something seriously wrong. Personally I use a very cheap auto and have had it close to 20 years old when I bought it and seen serious action but doesn't jam and so far in 10's of thousands of cartridges hasn't blown up. Best advise is buy something else 2nd hand a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 maybe its time to call it a day on this topic most of the posts just seem to be complaining now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) We could do a field test. Majordisorder is organising a semi auto flurry, date to be arranged. I will be taking 3 Hatsans along for myself and others to use. Perhaps we should record which guns are used, and any problems that are encountered and report back. Providing we have the St.Johns ambulance on site, I would think the fatalities should be low, but this should be recorded as well, along with injuries caused to bystanders from flying chokes and other parts. Although the numbers for this event are looking very good, I am sure Pete would not mind others attending, to give a nice mix of manufacturers. I will contact Pete as it is his day and ask if this can be done. Terry Edited January 21, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 We could do a field test. Majordisorder is organising a semi auto flurry, date to be arranged. I will be taking 3 Hatsans along for myself and others to use. Perhaps we should record which guns are used, and any problems that are encountered and report back. Providing we have the St.Johns ambulance on site, I would think the fatalities should be low, but this should be recorded as well, along with injuries caused to bystanders from flying chokes and other parts. Although the numbers for this event are looking very good, I am sure Pete would not mind others attending, to give a nice mix of manufacturers. I will contact Pete as it is his day and ask if this can be done. Terry very good idea that pete, probably the best post on this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Bloody good idea, should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Bloody good idea, should be interesting. The shoot will be in the Northampton area, if you are interested contact majordisorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Im a long way off competition standards, id rather keep my dignity, i can't wait to hear the results though, Im also going to see if Edgar brothers will give me some ball park figures with sales and genuine faults, not just where some numptys not tightened his chokes or not cleaned it after dropping it on the marsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Im a long way off competition standards, id rather keep my dignity, i can't wait to hear the results though, Im also going to see if Edgar brothers will give me some ball park figures with sales and genuine faults, not just where some numptys not tightened his chokes or not cleaned it after dropping it on the marsh. This is a fun, day/afternon/or evening out,there are no winners or losers, just new friends to make and old friends to see again and a lot of fun thrown in. It would be good to see you there(?) if possible. Cheers Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 ~Not sure whether i'm "qualified" or not to comment on this thread as i've never owned or even shot a Hatsan!!!!! But i can give the reason as to why....... Three of my close shooting colleagues have bought Hatsan auto's (new), as they were a cheap wildfowling option, not sure if they were Gen 1, 2, 3 or whatever probably 1's as it was a few years ago, They all failed, mechanically, excessive wear in the receiver due i presume to ill fitting components. In fairness they were sorted under warranty but this is aggravation i personally could do without. Whether build quality has improved i cannot comment but as with SMK rifles (who have upped their game of late (well a bit)) the stigma remains and i can understand why these guns get knocked repeatedly. Took Skoda years to lose their old image, maybe this applies to Hatsan too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 We could do a field test. Majordisorder is organising a semi auto flurry, date to be arranged. I will be taking 3 Hatsans along for myself and others to use. Perhaps we should record which guns are used, and any problems that are encountered and report back. Providing we have the St.Johns ambulance on site, I would think the fatalities should be low, but this should be recorded as well, along with injuries caused to bystanders from flying chokes and other parts. Although the numbers for this event are looking very good, I am sure Pete would not mind others attending, to give a nice mix of manufacturers. I will contact Pete as it is his day and ask if this can be done. Terry Is there a thread on this Terry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Is there a thread on this Terry? Hi I hope you are keeping well, look forward to the next Cotswold meet up. The thread has just been bounced by me. "Semi Auto 200 bird flush" It has a lot of interest, perhaps you could fill a car and make up a team or two. We are also going to the Dereham flush, which I know is a long ay to go, but what a day, teams of 4 3 x 75 bird flushes, plus an indidual 50 bird sporting plus lunch, and evening entertainment in the pub for £20.00. Look forward to hearing from you Cheers Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 no one who owns a hatsan thinks they are an amazing high quality piece of kit but what 80% of us obviously think is that we got a perfectly adequate gun which for most represents value for money. Baikals only issue has been there looks as there quality has stood the test of time. Same with mossberg there ugly but there's a reason most forces around the world have or do use them. Baikals and mossbergs are workhorses. And i guess the poll should show you you may be wrong about hatsans nearly 80% of owners have never had an issues so i guess this thread does speak for its self regarding the quality of them. Gary The vote is a waste of time to be honest , the time to see if these guns are any good is in a few years time , not when they are still virtually new. Also its ok someone voting they have had no trouble but of those 80% you talk of how many use the gun once in a blue moon ? how many have only had them a week or two ? how many use them just for fowling where you are lucky just to get a shot for a good part of the time your out ? how mant put 1000s through them clay or pigeon shooting ? there are just too many variables, any gun is reliable if its left in the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Fair enough, i give up everyone who has ever used a hatsan without any problems obviously got a cheap gun with the intentions of saving it for best and the unlucky ones who did decide to try them was all blown to pieces! the poll is a waste of time everyone who is happy with there hatsan is deluded. If you want a cheap value for money semi go get yourself a brand new urika as a hatsan will either kill you or bankrupt you! Edited January 21, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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