Dunkield Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Shooting into random woodland may seem risky but if you know the ground its not necessarily so. Knowing the ground has nothing to do with it, do you know who is in there 24 hours a day? - unlikely.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 But yet woodland stalking is ok ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 And surely if you're shooting into trees there's the potential ricochet problem if you happen to clip the side of a tree trunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 But yet woodland stalking is ok ? That is shooting at deer, not trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 But.. whats behind the deer? More trees - kids - dogs etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 But.. whats behind the deer? More trees - kids - dogs etc? A safe backstop, or it is at least when I do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Of course it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 But yet woodland stalking is ok ? What is your understanding of woodland stalking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 And surely if you're shooting into trees there's the potential ricochet problem if you happen to clip the side of a tree trunk? I had a ricochet of sorts the other day off a fallow which turned the bullet 45 degrees and took out another about 10 yards back and about the same left so I guess it can happen. However off sticks you shoot with plenty of earth behind and above the animal the fact there are trees furter on is in most respects irrelevant you are relying on the earth to do the job not trees etc a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I had a ricochet of sorts the other day off a fallow which turned the bullet 45 degrees and took out another about 10 yards back and about the same left so I guess it can happen. However off sticks you shoot with plenty of earth behind and above the animal the fact there are trees furter on is in most respects irrelevant you are relying on the earth to do the job not trees etc a Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) So how would you class these? safe or unsafe? that last picture is one of the ugliest roe deer i have seen... :blink: We'll call them A to D from left to right and top to bottom... Edited February 14, 2012 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 In my opinion, and with the very narrow field of view on display I'd say A-unsafe, B- Safe, C I'm unsure as can't determine the background very well on my phone, D- unsafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 a, no b,yes c, not sure so its a no d, definite no but thats me. but from the pics was all to go on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 a)No b)Yes c)No d)No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I would say A - unsafe (unless from a high seat), b- safe (off sticks, not prone), c - as medic says, unsure and unclear, looks kike there is a clearing behind so if I could verify that, safe off sticks, not prone, if couldn't verify what was behind that bush then not safe. D - not safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 From the camera height (not considering from a high seat) B is the only one you can see to have a backstop (and I wouldn't want to shoot it prone I don't think). C is a bit hard to determine from the photo so unless it looks different when you're there it has to be no. It's better to come back after not shooting anything and to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 B - safe Simple as that. Christ on a bike I hope some of you never go driven shooting with rifles, you would need to have extra baggage allowance for the body bags on the way back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 obviously B the one that may be a trick is C as that looks like that may be on the steep slope of a ravine so just possibly has the best backstop of the lot from that angle. But you'd only know if you were on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Wow, it seems everyone is in agreement for a change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 B - safe Simple as that. Christ on a bike I hope some of you never go driven shooting with rifles, you would need to have extra baggage allowance for the body bags on the way back Why? we have all said the same thing, albeit a little more elaborately than you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I know this is unlike me Vipa but I agree wholeheartedly with your collected comments on this. I would only reiterate your comment of dont shoot where you cant see the full trajectory and impact point, for certain. Ok on ranges you can forget about the impact point but in shooting foxes, I would never, never ,never shoot into trees, even if they were 10 miles from the nearest habitation, as some luckless guy would be out counting squirrels or somesuch. Theres always another day. If I shot deer it would also be "b" only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 If the only point of view is from where the camera is then B is the only safe shot there. If I could move and get a better position on C I would maybe take that, but only if I could get an angle on it to have a clear background into that bank behind and be sure there was nothing in the bushes (which can't be seen from where the camera is so from there it's a definate no). The best way to view a wood is at night. Get someone to go to the other side of that thick green mass and switch a torch on - you'll be amazed how many gaps there are in it. Never use a wood as a backstop - ever! Even if it's got a backstop behind it you can't ID what's in it. To use a tree as a backstop is acceptable if the animal is close to it. I've used 4' round Oaks as backstops a few times but only if the quarry is damn near touching it and the point of the shot is into the centre of the trunk. It doesn't happen often! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Knowing the ground has nothing to do with it, do you know who is in there 24 hours a day? - unlikely.... I am glad you said it first! i am amazed by attitudes in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 B is the only one but you do need to be there, such a small window judge the shot is seen in the photos. the others might all present a safe opertunity if you wait a while (part of the thril of stalking) once a shot is released you cant call it back. The last buck aint ugly, its just time of year effecting his pellage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 B is the only one but you do need to be there, such a small window judge the shot is seen in the photos. the others might all present a safe opertunity if you wait a while (part of the thril of stalking) once a shot is released you cant call it back. The last buck aint ugly, its just time of year effecting his pellage Actually - it is ugly as it was taken off a site article about roe deer in breeding and poor feeding in the last hard winter apparently.... Was looking for the link as I'm sure the text said it had a growth... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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