kitchy Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 hi this must sound realy stupid in every way but what it is,is i lay ina field and i put a target up "drawing round a 2P on a paper plate" there is no wind at all and i fire 4 shots they r inline hight wize but need moving 6 clicks right so i do so then shoot at another and they r perfect then i take my gun home ready for lamping on the night then next thing i no i miss completely so i go back down field with a target and do same again and they are off again !! and ihave to do it all of the time but theres no wind at all and my un if firing perfect i even give it a few warming up shots from a full fill i cant get a word of sence off dealers and shops they say is it clipping silencer..NO are the scopes broke..NO they are brand new i got rid of my old ones because i tohugh they were broke but they r not its done it with my weihrauch hw100 and theoben rpaid 7 mk 2 IN URGANT NEED OF HELP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I would take the scope completely off, remove the mounts, clean the gun (including around the rails) and start again. Follow guides on how to properly mount a scope and try again. I know you'll be hearing the same stuff again, but as good as the scope is, a badly mounted scope will cause you no end of trouble. You didn't specify what mounts you are using. If you think the pellet is clipping the moderator, take it off and try to see if it makes any difference. You really should strip it down to the bare basics and add each bit until the problem begins to happen. Good luck Edited February 17, 2012 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 have another look at the mod,i had one years ago that did this,take it off & try again or borrow 1 for the night to try,as stated go previous post might b as well start from the begining,good luck with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 hw100, check to make sure the barrel is seated properly in place. f rom memory there is a grub screw which can come loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 well with the hw100 th ebarrel wasnt properlet atatched -_- when i bought it thnks but ive sold it now and it isnt clipping the slicencer i did 2 grouping tests today with and without but the grouping is the same 1/4 inch form 40 or maybe more and the mounts are thoeben origionals i tihnk you cant move them only one place for them u no the one that you screw onto the rails but yeah il take them off and start again but eventualy i took my weihrauch ones off then put them back on and they worked BUT!! also i need to no if i set my scopes on X6 zoom and then when im shooting set it at 9 or mebys under 6 will it nock my scopes off ?? like will i have to re zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 A common cause of zero shift on a rifle with a floating barrel is leaning it against something via the silencer if you are zeroing it the going home leaning it against a wall until you next use it then chances are the zero will be shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 sorry explain in more simpler terms thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I thought that was simple ! ok even simpler , a floating barrel means it is fixed at the breech end only the rest of the barrel is free to flex , by leaving it propped against a wall etc you are in effect bending the barrel by a fraction this will ruin the zero , this is usually made worse by having a silencer making the barrel longer and adding to the leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 What scope are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta88 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 sounds like a wondering scope to me i had this trouble before with a new scope out the box somthing to do with the gasses in the scope took it bk for another one problem solved also are you using the same pellets if different weights that could be the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 sounds like a wondering scope to me i had this trouble before with a new scope out the box somthing to do with the gasses in the scope took it bk for another one problem solved also are you using the same pellets if different weights that could be the problem If it is semi quality glass, Hawke etc and it hasn't had a knock then they shouldnt shift on a PCP air rifle, High recoiling center fire yes, air rifles can be used with any scope virtually as they dont recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 HI, erm right the scope is a "hwke 3-9-50 IR" and i took all your advice and clean the gun all the way to its bones even silencer and then i put my mounts back on "theoben origionnals" then took my gun out the back into my field and i used a paper plate "Party Plate!" with a circle on it the size of a 2p then put it 35 metered yards away on a post then i put a pillow down and got steady as a rock and fired 4 shots they were a little high so i moved them 8 clicks right>> then fired another 4 they needed 2 left< so i did it put a new target up and they were bang on even went 45 yards away and aimed at centre of circle and yeah i no they are gonna fall a little lower but jsut making sure they still in line and yeah they were so a mena i do this all the time and it did it with my weihrauch hw100 S/T .22 it had "richter optics 6-40's on them " they did exactly the same but one day out the blue i tried them and all of s udden they were bang on and stayed that way for months so i dont no what it is at all al lth egun shops are puzzled and th epellets i used are "H&N field trophy the new tins not the one with green on the front they are deadly accurate smaler than a 1/4 inch grouping form 30 yards and crosman premier i use dot use but slightly a bigger grouping and the odd flier so a mean am doing every thing right i even chronod my gun and it worked out 11.5FLBS so that very good to FEEL LIKE CRYING!! haha Regards Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 If it is semi quality glass, Hawke etc and it hasn't had a knock then they shouldnt shift on a PCP air rifle, High recoiling center fire yes, air rifles can be used with any scope virtually as they dont recoil. Exclude Hawke sport HD scopes from the 'semi quality glass' tag as I had a brand new one and it wandered everywhere. Ky first guess would be scope followed by barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Exclude Hawke sport HD scopes from the 'semi quality glass' tag as I had a brand new one and it wandered everywhere. Ky first guess would be scope followed by barrel. I have a Hawke Sport HD thats got to be 10 years old and never missed a beat on a AAS400, and i also have one on a .22lr whic has had a few niggles but usually is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 soooo the conclusion is..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Do what Billy said in post 2 and then report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 i did thats the thing i need to go out today when the wind dies down and have a check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) soooo the conclusion is..?? The conclusion is that I can't make head nor tail of what you are saying, especially post 12 :wacko: :wacko: Edited February 18, 2012 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 on a whole what im trying to explain is that every time i set my scopes up on both my guns thats have been fully cleaned and every thing is put on properly that after zeroing my scopes they always move and i set them them then go out lamping a few hours later and they r miles off well round about 6-4 click off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 You'll only have your conclusion when you find out what's wrong. My money is on dodgy scope or loose barrel but without seeing it there's no way to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta88 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 it was a hawke 3x9x50 sport that i had the problem with on an air arms s410 as i said took it back got another one put it back on the range sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 on a whole what im trying to explain is that every time i set my scopes up on both my guns thats have been fully cleaned and every thing is put on properly that after zeroing my scopes they always move and i set them them then go out lamping a few hours later and they r miles off well round about 6-4 click off So you have two seperate rifles, with their own scopes, and you have the same problem with both....is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 So you have two seperate rifles, with their own scopes, and you have the same problem with both....is that right? That's how I read it, but the replies all seem to be about the HW100. Confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 2 different gun same problem 2 sets of diffrent scopes both guns have been took to the shop and both of them are fine its some tihng to do with the scopes but both are brand new and both diffrent makes of scopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 You keep banging on about the scopes, but fail to mention the mounts. It's pretty simple to muck up mounting a scope and using cheap mounts will only make the issue worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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