welshwarrior Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 A friend has made this and I wonder what your thoughts are? http://tru-shot.com/ To my mind it has real utility as a coaching tool as you can show someone their fault easily. I think it could help people who want to help themselves get better as well. It could also be used for other types of shooting to my mind as well 'kill tv' really. What do you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 A friend has made this and I wonder what your thoughts are? http://tru-shot.com/ To my mind it has real utility as a coaching tool as you can show someone their fault easily. I think it could help people who want to help themselves get better as well. It could also be used for other types of shooting to my mind as well 'kill tv' really. What do you think. It looks really profesional and could be very useful. Is it aimed at the instructor for new shooters or the Coach for enhancing an accompliced shooters ability? It will all come down to cost in the end. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Abit of both I teach new shots and can see it really helping but could look for my own errors when shooting on my own. It would be a sort of ground asset for the instructors and coaches alike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Looks expensive..... and you need to be able to have the space to calibrate it and have that gun holder. So think the cost and not Bing able to have the space at local shoots to calibrate it makes it out of reach for the individual shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyplatt Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 The footage on the website, showing the departing shot pattern is ace. Worth a look for that alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Cheers guys keep the comments coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshunt Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Very impressive. i know it says the camera is lightweight but how heavy is it. does it affect the weight,balance overall feel of the gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I'm told with that lens no there is one for long range rifle shooting that would effect the balance of the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayman Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Nice product but as with all products you have to work out the target market and the flaws. Just to add my two penneth: As said, this looks like an expensive bit of kit. If they plan to make money from it then I suspect there are few coaches and only some grounds that will buy one unit. For the new shooter (really new) they want to pull the trigger and break a few clays. This is unlikely to help compared a typical good coach. They won't get to pull the trigger as many times (you need time to review) so they may not feel the session is value for money. Mid range - good. I can only speak for myself but generally I can work most targets out for myself or with a coach. I can see it helping with those really problematic targets where you are convinced you're doing it right but still missing (sporting layout and I can happily show folks one of those ) Top range. I can see this being of real value to competition shooters to finesse their technique. Question is, can you make money from them. So all in all it looks like a top range product and, obviously, some really good work has gone in to it - well done to your mates. I've done a lot of work with eye-tracking technology and I know this isn't easy. But, in one of the examples (teal type, going away left to right towards the tower, about half way through) concentrate on the target symbol, not the clay. It looks to be incorrect, especially if it was shot by the left hander in the first part of the video. So for a newbie that would be hard to understand if that's where you are saying they should shoot. If the position is right then some work will need to go in to the explanation. Please don't think this is criticism but having worked on new products and billion dollar brands for most of my life I know that the devil is in the detail. Good luck with the project and keep us posted. PS. not one for Dragons Den Edited April 29, 2012 by WVAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 WVAM cheers for the input I'll pass it on, keep it coming guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) I've got mixed feelings about all this clutter. I don't really expect a coach to be telling me to give it more lead/less lead/get over it/under it. I expect them to be getting me to think things through myself. Why am I missing? What to do if I am missing? Where is the target going? What's it doing? What am I going to do to hit it? Although a coach should be able to tell you exactly where you're missing, I don't think it's the right way to teach shooting. New shots need to be taught how to work it out themselves, in my opinion. This could start another coach v instructor mass debate which would cause me to lose the will to live Opinions will vary, it's not for me. Edited April 29, 2012 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 interesting piece of kit be interesting to get a few of the coach's on here's opinion on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psych4shooting Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 what is the price of this, there have been comments on price, but no actual mention of the price, is it 100`s or 1000`s?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Psych I don't know I'll ask him tomorrow when I speak to him. Edited April 29, 2012 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psych4shooting Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Psych I don't know I'll ask him tomorrow when I speak to him. Thanks for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 looks a good bit of kit be interesting to try out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutey Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 This kit Looks like the bees knees, but as already mentioned a few times, is the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It is not cheap £10,000 So not something everyone will buy but bigger grounds to rent out to clients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psych4shooting Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It is not cheap £10,000 So not something everyone will buy but bigger grounds to rent out to clients Thanks for finding out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 bit steep then :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutey Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 WOW, Awe well there goes another good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Could be good to see the difference in patten from different chokes like flush vs extended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Looks an interesting piece of kit doubt any individual would fork out 10k for it,however im sure some shooting clubs/grounds might buy one BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayman Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 There's an American one called ShotKam, they advertise on my site. $499 Good information. The ShotKam is obviously very different to the device from WelshWarriors friends, but you would struggle to justify the extra £9.5K for the instant replay. I could easily see coaches using the ShotKam to review a group of targets for any level of shooting, and it's at a price point where many folks would consider buying it (individuals, coaches, clubs). When you try to invent something or design something new there's a general rule of thumb - "it's been done before, you just have to find it". You only have to do a quick patent search to see how many citations there are http://www.google.com/patents/US4835621 which says it's very likely there is already something out there. There's also an outside chance the device infringes an existing patent but unlikely that anyone would worry - though you never know. If after searching every known source then ask those who might know. Then if your research says, "never seen it or heard of it", you might be on to something new. Then you have to make it a winner. WelshWarrior's mates may be on to something but Ben.W has posed the time honoured question. "Why would I pay that much for yours when I can have that one for much less?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 BASC also tout the ST2 system which can be used indoors using a laser and screen and outdoors using the camera. I think it will be very hard to get any buyers for this system, the inventor has had a bigger version available for a long time but with very little uptake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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