Chr15j Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Tbh I went for hb purely for aesthetic reasons, im happy so was worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I heard the quad has some issues expelling spent .22 cartridges what do you reckon mate? as I was thinking of getting one. The ejector problem has been identified - here is the fix: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/109911-sako-quad-owners/page__p__945172__hl__%2Bextraction+%2Bclaw__fromsearch__1#entry945172 There are loads of used Quad .22lr's about, presumably sold by people who haven't seen the above fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) Winchester 9422....had the cz's/10/22's - I honestly think the diddly wee Winnie is fantastic and shoots a good group too! And the mag capacity is more than the CZ, you can also use it with irons or scope and it is so simple that if anything ever broke you could probably build it yourself! Regards, Gixer Edited May 6, 2012 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) sending off my fac applacation over the weekend. and was wondering what would be the best 22lr to go for bugit is around the 600mark i want somethink reliable for years to come (equilent to my fatefull rappid 7) i liked the look of the staneless thumhole savage but i no nothing in this departpent so need some pointers brno cz etc?? :blink: You're applying for an FAC? Edited May 6, 2012 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Cz-452 varmint with a sako mod, I've tried loads of mods and so far the sako is the quietest I've heard, not sure what they are now but I paid £30 for mine about 3yrs ago and can't fault it. Atb Gary Sorry to slightly Hijack this! I'm sure I've asked this before, I had a Sako Mod on my last WMR but sold it with the rifle as it was getting a bit long in the tooth. Can't find them anywhere these days, I liked it, and it does have the edge over the SAK, just, I would be very happy to get another but I can't find them anywhere. Does anyone have any idea where I can buy a new SAKO MODERATOR? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 sometimes my quad will not extract unfired rounds. never had a problem with extraction after firing. Ok cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 The ejector problem has been identified - here is the fix: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/109911-sako-quad-owners/page__p__945172__hl__%2Bextraction+%2Bclaw__fromsearch__1#entry945172 There are loads of used Quad .22lr's about, presumably sold by people who haven't seen the above fix. Nice one Dave, good post thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) Sorry to slightly Hijack this! I'm sure I've asked this before, I had a Sako Mod on my last WMR but sold it with the rifle as it was getting a bit long in the tooth. Can't find them anywhere these days, I liked it, and it does have the edge over the SAK, just, I would be very happy to get another but I can't find them anywhere. Does anyone have any idea where I can buy a new SAKO MODERATOR? Thanks! Hi dekers They are really good mods I got mine from Forrest lodge guns, wragby, Lincolnshire, (01673) 858554 not sure if they still stock them but I dont see why they wouldn't as they rated them very highly. Hope this helps mate Atb Gary Just rang them and they still stock them for £41.00 so still cheap and available Atb Gary Edited May 6, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ging125 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Cz 452! Brilliant rifle! Mine will group sub1" @ 100yd, far better than I can shoot!! Trigger isn't great but still have it on mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) I tried the CZ 452 synthetic with 16" barrel. Lovely and light,but being a tall bloke I found it too short in the stock and toy like. On firing, it tended to be a bit "flippy". So I changed it for the 455 Varmint with thumbhole stock. (still short in the stock but able to fit a pad on it). What a difference Heavier, yes, but is so much more stable and balanced...it just feels right. Because of the extra weight I was able to get much tighter groups. Fabulous on the bipod. The 452 16" is around the £400 mark and the thumbhole 455 about £50 more. Sak mod £39 which looks the part and works really well. The noise of the bullet connecting with the rabbit is 3-5 times louder than the report so I don't really see the need to spend more on a quieter mod. I have a Mamba lite 3-12x44 which seems perfect. £145 ish. There are some lovely rifles out there,but for the money I dont think you can beat the CZ. Guns are about personal choice and as above, everyones preference is different. If you can, pick up a few in the gunshops and see how they feel to you. But I would suggest you get them to hang a mod and scope on them, as you will know, the handling will be completely different from "naked" and also eye relief. Oh and if you do go CZ, change the trigger spring for a lighter one...world of difference Hope this helps. Edited May 6, 2012 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Hi dekers They are really good mods I got mine from Forrest lodge guns, wragby, Lincolnshire, (01673) 858554 not sure if they still stock them but I dont see why they wouldn't as they rated them very highly. Hope this helps mate Atb Gary Just rang them and they still stock them for £41.00 so still cheap and available Atb Gary Cheers for that, and the PM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 No problem mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid basher Posted May 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I tried the CZ 452 synthetic with 16" barrel. Lovely and light,but being a tall bloke I found it too short in the stock and toy like. On firing, it tended to be a bit "flippy". So I changed it for the 455 Varmint with thumbhole stock. (still short in the stock but able to fit a pad on it). What a difference Heavier, yes, but is so much more stable and balanced...it just feels right. Because of the extra weight I was able to get much tighter groups. Fabulous on the bipod. The 452 16" is around the £400 mark and the thumbhole 455 about £50 more. Sak mod £39 which looks the part and works really well. The noise of the bullet connecting with the rabbit is 3-5 times louder than the report so I don't really see the need to spend more on a quieter mod. I have a Mamba lite 3-12x44 which seems perfect. £145 ish. There are some lovely rifles out there,but for the money I dont think you can beat the CZ. Guns are about personal choice and as above, everyones preference is different. If you can, pick up a few in the gunshops and see how they feel to you. But I would suggest you get them to hang a mod and scope on them, as you will know, the handling will be completely different from "naked" and also eye relief. Oh and if you do go CZ, change the trigger spring for a lighter one...world of difference Hope this helps. thanks for the hellp is it a standerd thin for the gun shop to change the spring? or will involve being sent away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Changing the spring is a pretty easy if you are slightly mechanical. I did mine in about 15 mins. There are several vids on the tube. This one will tell you how to do it and the pifalls.There are kits available. I bought mine on evilbay. Its a yodave. Comes with 4 springs and some anti creep tubes. I just changed the spring. Probably won't bother with the anti creep. This place is doing great deals on the CZ 22lr thumbhole with Sak mod and trigger done inc next day postage...presumably to your rfd...so he will charge a few quid to recieve it. http://www.czrifles.co.uk/cz-rifles-uk/22-bolt-action-rilfes/ I am sure you could get the shop where you ultimately purchase it to change the spring to a lighter pull for you for next to nothing. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Finnfire Seriously the Finnfire is a probably the best 22lr ever made. Widely acknowledged as being far superior to the quad they still command high prices. You can pick a decent one up for the £500 mark. Yes people say there will be no difference in accuracy over a CZ. Probably true to an extent. Theres nothing at wrong with CZ's at all, fine rifles for the money and i own one myself in 17hmr but if you compare one alongside a Finnfire the difference in quality and refinement can be seen the moment you pick one up. So to sum up, if you want a functional rifle that will do the job then a cz is fine. If on the other hand you want something that you're proud to own then go for a Finnfire, one of the weihrauch's or an Anshutz. All high quality rimfires. I suppose at the end of the day it comes down to pride of ownership but thats not derogatory to CZ's as they are good rifles ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Im proud of my cz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Seriously the Finnfire is a probably the best 22lr ever made. Widely acknowledged as being far superior to the quad they still command high prices. You can pick a decent one up for the £500 mark. Yes people say there will be no difference in accuracy over a CZ. Probably true to an extent. Theres nothing at wrong with CZ's at all, fine rifles for the money and i own one myself in 17hmr but if you compare one alongside a Finnfire the difference in quality and refinement can be seen the moment you pick one up. So to sum up, if you want a functional rifle that will do the job then a cz is fine. If on the other hand you want something that you're proud to own then go for a Finnfire, one of the weihrauch's or an Anshutz. All high quality rimfires. I suppose at the end of the day it comes down to pride of ownership but thats not derogatory to CZ's as they are good rifles ATB, Pat What he said. For a practical, sensible, accurate, field rifle that won't let you down and will last a lifetime get a CZ! For a no more accurate, field rifle, that won't let you down and will probably last 2 lifetimes, is better built, and costs more get a Finnfire, one of the Weihrauch's or an Anschutz. I'm not having a go here, there is NO advantage in the field, accuracy or durability wise spending more than a CZ, some people just want to, and why not. Years back I had been diligently saving my pennies to buy a Finnfire Hunter, because I wanted one, but they stopped making them and introduced the Quad. The Finnfire in all its formats still attracts good prices and a mint example will be guaranteed to cost you more than the original new price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) Hi dekers They are really good mods I got mine from Forrest lodge guns, wragby, Lincolnshire, (01673) 858554 not sure if they still stock them but I dont see why they wouldn't as they rated them very highly. Hope this helps mate Atb Gary Just rang them and they still stock them for £41.00 so still cheap and available Atb Gary Ordered, I was hoping to get it yesterday, but fingers crossed it will arrive today! Edited May 11, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white van man Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I got rid of my CZ and bought a Quad in .22lr I've since added a .17 barrel for under £200 quid if you think you may go for a .17 in the future(and you will) this is the cheapest option The CZ is a good gun but the quad is better.I believe the ejection problem is only with the 9shot magazines as I have no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 hi all , i am currently waiting for my fac to be printed up so am in shopping mode lol. i have been looking at a cz 452 in 22lr but the gun that has taken my fancy is the hw 66 with the heavy carbine barrel 14 inch i have seen a 13 inch one too. what am asking is does anyone know what the power loss is from the the shorter barrel as i was under the impression 16 inch of barrel was required for the projectile to reach its full potential. thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 hi all , i am currently waiting for my fac to be printed up so am in shopping mode lol. i have been looking at a cz 452 in 22lr but the gun that has taken my fancy is the hw 66 with the heavy carbine barrel 14 inch i have seen a 13 inch one too. what am asking is does anyone know what the power loss is from the the shorter barrel as i was under the impression 16 inch of barrel was required for the projectile to reach its full potential. thank you. I think 12" all your powders burnt but 14 is the optimum anything over is slowing it down but not to a Point you'd notice, my Cz-452 varmint (heavy barrel) is standard length so about 19-20" I'll get it chopped to 14" at some point but in no rush as I love it as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Hi, Don't worry about any form of power loss because of the short barrel if you're going for the 22lr. Some shooters have reported a slight increase in accuracy even after they have had their longer barrelled 22lr's shortened. If you were going for a 17hmr then there would be a slight decrease in the velocity with a shorter barrel but even then nothing that you would notice. Remember its a rimfire so there is not as much powder to be burnt. If however you a looking at a centre fire rifle then yes they do tend to perform better with longer barrels because there is far more powder to be burnt and also because of the higher velocity. Two reasons to name but a few. A fine choice of rifle you have in mind may i say . The Weihrauch's are very well built and the 66j is my personal favourite with a more target type stock but equally at home in the field . Good luck with your FAC application by the way ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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