Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) I have 150-200 acres of land and the police have said none of it is suitable for anything other than a shotgun or air rifle !! 3 people have shot my land quite a few times and there are backstops. The only reason I have is that there is 1 footpath and all the land is totally unsuitable I applied for 22lr, 17hmr and .243 They have said there is no appeal and thats it basically. Edited May 10, 2012 by Peskyfoxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) As a nice bonus the officer said he would me to walk round with them Sunday evening or Monday .. Stayed in all day Monday and turns out he just walked round Sunday night on his own Edited May 8, 2012 by Peskyfoxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Thats tough lines mate, I have many footpaths, bridleways etc over our farm, and its cleared up to big calibres. It must be a demographic thing, houses surrounding it etc, not sure what you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Thats tough lines mate, I have many footpaths, bridleways etc over our farm, and its cleared up to big calibres. It must be a demographic thing, houses surrounding it etc, not sure what you can do. There are hardly any houses about and as its my farm I have never seen a walker yet. Its not hilly but there are safe places to shoot providing your sensiuble .. guess I better see if I can convert some of my old air rifle permissions into Fac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 thats carnt be right get them back to check it again i got hmr passed on a 2 acre feild with a foot path at bottom before i got open ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 thats carnt be right get them back to check it again i got hmr passed on a 2 acre feild with a foot path at bottom before i got open ticket Apparently they won't be coming back, and my application is now cancelled pending further land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 thats carnt be right get them back to check it again i got hmr passed on a 2 acre feild with a foot path at bottom before i got open ticket It is peculier isn't it. OP are you a member of a shooting organisation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) There is more but thats thye main part .. 3 open ticket holders have been happy with it Edited May 8, 2012 by Peskyfoxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) This doesn't sound right. You don't want to go off half-cock, so I'd give my location and see if there's a couple of experienced/open FAC members who would kindly pop over and give their opinion. If, then, they agree with you, it's time to speak with your shooting association. Edit: Aaah! We posted at the same time! Edited May 8, 2012 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 It is peculier isn't it. OP are you a member of a shooting organisation? I was about to Join BASC when I knew I had my ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 get another bit of land thats already passed then apply open ticket and bob's your uncle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 get another bit of land thats already passed then apply open ticket and bob's your uncle I don't think west yorks is keen on open tickets, v=certainly not for a few years from what I have read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 get another bit of land thats already passed then apply open ticket and bob's your uncle like its thats easy there giveing him **** all ready so whats the bets he wont get open ticket but 1 thing is for sure you will need some more land if there going to be stubborn with the op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 like its thats easy there giveing him **** all ready so whats the bets he wont get open ticket but 1 thing is for sure you will need some more land if there going to be stubborn with the op I may (fingers crossed) be able to get some more land, I also have a coule of invites for stalking too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 I have just passed my FAC for a .22, and according to my FEO he didnt check the land as it wasnt in his area? If a colleage of his checked is unknown, as he didnt mention anything. I have been given a closed ticket. Get onto BASC, and see what can be sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 West Yorkshire give open certificates when you've had that calibre(s) for 18 months. While that's a long time, if you can get some land elsewhere then it's good to know that in 18 months you'll be open, it could be much worse (such as 5 years). Find some other land if you can, get the application on it's way again. However, looking at the size of land you've got there, I can't see any way that it'd all be unsafe, I think I'd be inclined to join BASC and see if they can help - I don't know what would do, but if they were to look at it and say that it's safe then the police ought to listen. Having 1 footpath should hardly be a reason to refuse it, as my FEO said when he passed 30 acres of woodland with a footpath in it, and a bridleway down two sides, as long as you can see it's clear for a long way in either direction of the footpath then it's OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 how old are you out of interest, it may be he isn't inclined to grant a .243 to a young novice on that area and is playing safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 how old are you out of interest, it may be he isn't inclined to grant a .243 to a young novice on that area and is playing safe. I wish ... 36 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 West Yorkshire give open certificates when you've had that calibre(s) for 18 months. While that's a long time, if you can get some land elsewhere then it's good to know that in 18 months you'll be open, it could be much worse (such as 5 years). Find some other land if you can, get the application on it's way again. However, looking at the size of land you've got there, I can't see any way that it'd all be unsafe, I think I'd be inclined to join BASC and see if they can help - I don't know what would do, but if they were to look at it and say that it's safe then the police ought to listen. Having 1 footpath should hardly be a reason to refuse it, as my FEO said when he passed 30 acres of woodland with a footpath in it, and a bridleway down two sides, as long as you can see it's clear for a long way in either direction of the footpath then it's OK. I think they are just being a pain .. plus some local said the footpath was really well used yet I have been on the fields this and last weekend for hours and never saw anyone apart from 1 foot print Basc joined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Are the safe backstops on your permission? Does the backstop start to rise just into neighbouring land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 This is another case of the 'postcode lottery syndrome'. I've got a patch of 60+ acres which has a road, a by-pass, a housing estate, a cricket club and several footpaths running through it. Passed, no problem! Only comment he made was 'does he know where the footpaths are? When told 'yes' he said 'That's ok then'. It is a difficult area to shoot but it is possible as, luckily, it's not too flat. Looking at the pic, perhaps a .243 could be iffy but a .17 would be just the job if shot with care. I would certainly try again with some support as has been suggested. Good luck with it all. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Are the safe backstops on your permission? Does the backstop start to rise just into neighbouring land? there are berms on part of the field that are about 3-4 foot high, there is part that is a V with rising land on the other each side .. I'm guessing dry stone walls don't count I don't think any of the shots would go on neighbouring land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 This is another case of the 'postcode lottery syndrome'. I've got a patch of 60+ acres which has a road, a by-pass, a housing estate, a cricket club and several footpaths running through it. Passed, no problem! Only comment he made was 'does he know where the footpaths are? When told 'yes' he said 'That's ok then'. It is a difficult area to shoot but it is possible as, luckily, it's not too flat. Looking at the pic, perhaps a .243 could be iffy but a .17 would be just the job if shot with care. I would certainly try again with some support as has been suggested. Good luck with it all. GH unfortunately a 17hmr is ok for bunnies but not for the foxes as west yorks won't allow it for fox. The guy has said even .22lr is unsafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 It's not easy to see from the picture, but it looks like the land is flat and surrounded by buildings and roads, so the FEO does have a point. It's not the size of the land, it's the backstops he'll be concerned with. There is a golf course near me that is bounded by a road and has a footpath right through the middle and along one side, it's passed for .223 because it's in a valley and has perfect backstops when shot from either side. My small woodland, 17 acres, was passed up to Hornet because it too had good backstops - even though it was less than 100yds from a village on one side, had a footpath on the boundary, had Woodland Trust open woodland on another side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 It's not easy to see from the picture, but it looks like the land is flat and surrounded by buildings and roads, so the FEO does have a point. It's not the size of the land, it's the backstops he'll be concerned with. There is a golf course near me that is bounded by a road and has a footpath right through the middle and along one side, it's passed for .223 because it's in a valley and has perfect backstops when shot from either side. My small woodland, 17 acres, was passed up to Hornet because it too had good backstops - even though it was less than 100yds from a village on one side, had a footpath on the boundary, had Woodland Trust open woodland on another side. I can undersdtand that only certain parts are suitable ... but then I'm sure on all land you could shoot in an unsafe direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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