Imperfection Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 there is talk about fitting whats called a "screamer" its so loud inside the house its supposed to disoriantate an intuder A woman with PMT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 We have two v large dogs - a rottweiler and a mastiff I have only 5 guns (6 apparently being the issue)but when I was asked about security the FEO's response indicated that he would go with dogs rather than an alarm. I wouldnt have an alarm either with dogs - enough to drive them mad. We shall see when I want another couple of guns - renewal in Sept and going for 2 more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) built the house 7yr ago, had multi locks fitted to all doors and windows, mains operated intruder alarm, I can`t think of a reason why anyone wouldn`t fit an alarm, guns or no guns. Course a dog is better company. Edited July 1, 2012 by malantone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 built the house 7yr ago, had multi locks fitted to all doors and windows, mains operated intruder alarm, I can`t think of a reason why anyone wouldn`t fit an alarm, guns or no guns. Course a dog is better company. nobody to hear it and 40min + responce times any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 not if you fit a dialer, you will know instantly if its activated. Then you could call the police and tell them you think someones steeling your guns. If that takes them 40 mins id be very supprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) By the time you pick up your phone, spend a few minutes on the phone to the call taker, call taker passes call through to dispatchers, police respond to address which would be time dependant on resources and location then the theives will be long gone. Far better to spend the money on stopping them from getting in. Edited July 1, 2012 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 10 years ago a SOCO told me he thought alarms generally a waste of time that gave people a false sense of security. Reckoned use of time switches on lights and tv, 2 x 5 lever mortice locks on all external doors, locks on ground floor windows and a dummy box on wall would dissuade all but the dumbest or smartest of burglars. My experience of a monitored system is that you get a call but that leaves you to decide if to call police / fire brigade whatever. I've been told by someone who ought to know that a couple of false alarms and you can soon expect to be ignored or get a bill. Like the idea of adding large dog OR "screamer" device to SOCO'S suggestion! Guess if your force insists though, no choice but to fit the alarm while remembering my friendly SOCO's advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 as soon as you give your address and mention firearms they will be on it. Yes you are right, 2 false alarms, and the service gets pulled. But to have a system to current spec for red care or police response, the alarm needs to be a confirmed alarm activation, which means 1 room has 2 sensors, and both must have been tripped, making false alarms highly un likley. Its proven they spend less time inside if alarm is going off, no time to look for keys etc. for the price, i would have one all day long. My locks are top spec to being a locksmith, all restricted, and everything locks. Im security mad as my working day involves traveling around people who have been robbed. also i know how easy it is to get into most houses / locks. Opens your eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Aren't "dialler" alarms reliant on the burglar not cutting your phone wire? Nobody here to hear an alarm and you would have to be pretty dumb not to do something about the obvious phone line unless you were just an opportunist thief. My place is a bit out of the way for an opportunist. As for response times, they are measured in days rather than minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Far better to spend the money on stopping them from getting in. And there's also the deterrent effect of an alarm box outside. I installed an alarm for my mother following a spate of burglaries in the small town where she lived. At that time, there wasn't one house that had an alarm/external box in the whole area that had been burglared. Seemed that the burglars went for the 'easier targets' and as there were plenty of houses without alarms, the burglars would choose the easier option. Out in the country with no-one around for miles is obviously a different situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 not if you fit a dialer, you will know instantly if its activated. Then you could call the police and tell them you think someones steeling your guns. If that takes them 40 mins id be very supprised I think you need to see outside your box. 40mins would be good, a neighbouring farm had a gang of masked men in the night raiding his buildings and the response was far slower. Firearms on the premises wont speed things up either as they will only send an ARV under thier own health and safety rules. We do have notices telling all the crooks that police are active in the area (which obviuosly tells all the crooks and residents they aint) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I prefer the 'Big Dog' option, Former burglars have said they would think twice about breaking in if they heard dogs, and as you can see mine, i think its a pretty safe bet. I suppose if you wanted to be extra secure, you could always fit an alarm, but again with the way the police force is stretched, reponse times would vary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 You can only go so far. An alarm is usually a good idea but everything has its limits. A monitored system probably isn't worth it unless you live out in the sticks as any alarm going off in a residential area is going to have the desired effect on a burglar. No alarm system or Fort Knox-like security is going to stop someone getting your guns if they have decided that they are going to have them. They will just wait for you to come home and jump you - actually, violence probably isn't even needed in most cases as the mere threat to someones wife/kids, etc is enough that most people will just hand over the keys to their gun safe. To be honest, I tend to think that most burglars wouldn't touch guns anyway. People get serious jail time these days for having illegal guns - let alone stealing them to begin with. As I say, the criminals who would happily steal and move on guns are not the types who will not deterred by a fancy alarm and lots of locks. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 If I was an habitual criminal the last thing I would do if I wanted a 'shooter' is break into someone's house and nick one. I'd see my dodgy mate and he'd sort me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 If I was an habitual criminal the last thing I would do if I wanted a 'shooter' is break into someone's house and nick one. I'd see my dodgy mate and he'd sort me out. Yep, that's what I heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yep, that's what I heard Um, Malk, you know it's you, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I have to say I'd actually get rid of the gun I liked least if it became an issue. Not the response most like on here but there is a limit to how many you can shoot, I've 2 shotguns and 3 rifles in the cabinet and they cover pretty much everything that can be shot in this country. More guns just seem to be kept for sentimental reasons rather than any practical ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I have to say I'd actually get rid of the gun I liked least if it became an issue. Not the response most like on here but there is a limit to how many you can shoot, I've 2 shotguns and 3 rifles in the cabinet and they cover pretty much everything that can be shot in this country. More guns just seem to be kept for sentimental reasons rather than any practical ones. Actually I think you have a point there. I was considering selling one of my shotguns rather than fanny about. I can already feel the onset of sellers remorse but I do feel you're right. Mind you I might have found a way around that particular issue. My first gun I am quite attached to, and seeing that there are two on Guntrader at the moment going for over five hundred quid apiece (it's over 30 years old) there are conflicting arguments for selling and keeping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I have to say I'd actually get rid of the gun I liked least if it became an issue. Not the response most like on here but there is a limit to how many you can shoot, I've 2 shotguns and 3 rifles in the cabinet and they cover pretty much everything that can be shot in this country. More guns just seem to be kept for sentimental reasons rather than any practical ones. No they cover what you shoot, were you shoot it. i couldn't contemplate 2 shotguns ans three rifles to do what i do through the year. You sound like a bad wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 No they cover what you shoot, were you shoot it. i couldn't contemplate 2 shotguns ans three rifles to do what i do through the year. You sound like a bad wife A decent over and under 12b gets used for game of all descriptions 12b semi auto handles vermin and pigeons etc 17hmr rabbits general small vermin .223 longer range vermin and foxes .243 foxes and deer the only possible gap would be if I wanted a larger caliber so why wouldn't they fit your use what do you shoot that couldn't be shot with one of them? I tend to prefer to spend more on a gun and possible scope etc than have two of them with cheaper setups. when a full rifle setup can happily be 3k really its a lot to justify if you don't use it often. All the rifles can be used with the NV I've got no need for separate rifles for that really unless I was into target shooting I can't see much of a gap anywhere It was purely pointing out that lots of guns just sit in cabinets and don't get used I've been guilty of it collecting shotguns then not being able to remember the last time I took them out. If its a case of spending on an alarm and messing about to keep something you don't use its a no brainer. It also means you may have more to spend on the new toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 not if you fit a dialer, you will know instantly if its activated. Then you could call the police and tell them you think someones steeling your guns. If that takes them 40 mins id be very supprised I'd love that......... on holiday somewhere nice and my mobile goes to tell me my house has been broken into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 nobody to hear it and 40min + responce times any good? Big dog living in is your best bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Big dog living in is your best bet Its a deterent to the casual but no problem for the pro and after having had keen dogs in the past i think i should rather keep soppy ones and get burgled I have a few funny though at the same time disturbing disturbing stories of personal protection dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Its a deterent to the casual but no problem for the pro and after having had keen dogs in the past i think i should rather keep soppy ones and get burgled I have a few funny though at the same time disturbing disturbing stories of personal protection dogs I heard a professional burglar being interviewed about this very topic and his comment was that dogs are no problem as long as you're expecting them and you're carrying a pick-axe handle/spade/shovel etc etc So I guess the best dog is a quiet, stealthy, big and hungry dog. Although when I first went centrefire, one of the questions asked was do I have a dog. It was a 'tick box' exercise as my little mutt was busy licking his hand at the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working dog Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Aren't "dialler" alarms reliant on the burglar not cutting your phone wire? There are GSM diallers available which takes away the cable cutting scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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