bicykillgaz Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 It says the dog ran into the field and started chasing pheasants which to me sounds like they was not in a pen, seems a bit hasty to shoot it especially if no birds was harmed. I'd give him your feo's number and let him explain it to him and see what he says, then if keeper is in the wrong id go see him and give him the choice of settling for cash out of court or face losing his guns. If your mates in the wrong when it's an unfortunate lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 It says the dog ran into the field and started chasing pheasants which to me sounds like they was not in a pen, seems a bit hasty to shoot it especially if no birds was harmed. I'd give him your feo's number and let him explain it to him and see what he says, then if keeper is in the wrong id go see him and give him the choice of settling for cash out of court or face losing his guns. If your mates in the wrong when it's an unfortunate lesson learned. if the dog could not be trusted not to chase anything ,it should have been on a lead ,if it had been trained right it would stop on command,then the unfortunate incident would not have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 That keeper has just made his job a lot harder I would say. If it was my dog he shot I wouldnt let him off so easy. The only good he has done I think is that word will get round to other dog owners and they will either keep away or keep there dogs on there leashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm sure this would of been in the local news? Anyone got a source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmos05 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 If you carnt stop your dog chaseing live stock or pheasant it shouldnt be off the lead, end off story in my eyes. your all suposed to be shooting men on hear and listen to you all pulling keepers down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Dogs can be shot if they are worrying livestock. They can also be shot if the dog enters a pheasant pen, but not if the pheasants are outside the pen roaming free. If the pheasants are roaming free outside a pen, they are classed as wild animals. When in the pen, they are classed as property of the gamekeeper. This is as far as I am aware. I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 If you carnt stop your dog chaseing live stock or pheasant it shouldnt be off the lead, end off story in my eyes. your all suposed to be shooting men on hear and listen to you all pulling keepers down. True but we wouldn't of been able to laugh at this then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmpONxJ7JSw Fenton :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmos05 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Yeh but that was just funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I was informed by the police last year (after having problems with some one in the village letting their dogs roam ) that due to the 1892 game laws that still stand today that you do have the right to protect your game even if this means shooting the animal not saying I would but the this is the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 From the Act as opposed to Pigeon Watch law!! The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 Under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 the owner and anyone else under whose control the dog is at the time will be guilty of an offence if it worries livestock on agricultural land. The dog must have been attacking or chasing livestock in such a way that it could reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering or, in the case of females, abortion or the loss or diminution of their produce. An offence is not committed if at the time of the worrying the livestock were trespassing, the dog belonged to the owner of the land on which the trespassing livestock were and the person in charge of the dog did not cause the dog to attack the livestock. The definition of ‘livestock’ includes cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses and poultry. Game birds are not included. The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) I was informed by the police last year (after having problems with some one in the village letting their dogs roam ) that due to the 1892 game laws that still stand today that you do have the right to protect your game even if this means shooting the animal not saying I would but the this is the law Never heard of this before. It was stated in Shooting Times just a few weeks back that it is ALWAYS illegal to shoot a dog for chasing/killing pheasants - whether in or out of a pen. I've never seen anything anywhere that says it is legal to shoot a dog for going after game birds bit if someone can point me to it.......... Edit: Thank you miliscer - you posted as I was typing. Edited July 3, 2012 by Piebob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remy 700 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) From the Act as opposed to Pigeon Watch law!! The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 Under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 the owner and anyone else under whose control the dog is at the time will be guilty of an offence if it worries livestock on agricultural land. The dog must have been attacking or chasing livestock in such a way that it could reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering or, in the case of females, abortion or the loss or diminution of their produce. An offence is not committed if at the time of the worrying the livestock were trespassing, the dog belonged to the owner of the land on which the trespassing livestock were and the person in charge of the dog did not cause the dog to attack the livestock. The definition of livestock includes cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses and poultry. Game birds are not included. The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 Yes that still is the law today Edited July 3, 2012 by remy 700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Well I've read this thread though with a great deal of worry. Especially when reading some of the threats being made against the keeper. I'm not going to add anything about the actual shooting, as I believe the keeper could be in deep doo doo over this, but I also believe that the sort of threats being uttered are exactly what we all complain about when the antis are involved in the same thing. We hear all the time about antis cutting release pens open so that the birds can escape, or even worse where the birds are killed (so much for the anti “animal lovers”). But to hear such threats from so-called shooting men who would otherwise defend this keeper, is astonishing. Personally I would revoke any certificate belonging to those who have made these threats, because if that's the way you think then you shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm/shotgun. And judging by the illiteracy on here it beats me how some of you managed to fill in your application forms!!!!!!!!!! G.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Never heard of this before. It was stated in Shooting Times just a few weeks back that it is ALWAYS illegal to shoot a dog for chasing/killing pheasants - whether in or out of a pen. I've never seen anything anywhere that says it is legal to shoot a dog for going after game birds bit if someone can point me to it.......... Edit: Thank you miliscer - you posted as I was typing. As I said we were informed by the POLICE,and if I were you. I'd would speak to them yourself if you need any more clarification after all that is their job !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthedug Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (1)In this Act— . “agricultural land” means land used as arable, meadow or grazing land, or for the purpose of poultry farming, pig farming, market gardens, allotments, nursery grounds or orchards; and “livestock” means cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses, or poultry, and for the purposes of this definition “cattle” means bulls, cows, oxen, heifers or calves, “horses” includes ***** and mules, and “poultry” means domestic fowls, turkeys, geese or ducks. On reading the Legislation, it actually defines poultry which am sure it was debated before if pheasants in a pen were defined as domestic poultry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood*10 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Sorry my dogs take offence ,they are working dogs and enjoy life as such ,NOT pets or potlickers just because its a working dog doesnt mean its not your pet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Well I've read this thread though with a great deal of worry. Especially when reading some of the threats being made against the keeper. I'm not going to add anything about the actual shooting, as I believe the keeper could be in deep doo doo over this, but I also believe that the sort of threats being uttered are exactly what we all complain about when the antis are involved in the same thing. We hear all the time about antis cutting release pens open so that the birds can escape, or even worse where the birds are killed (so much for the anti “animal lovers”). But to hear such threats from so-called shooting men who would otherwise defend this keeper, is astonishing. Personally I would revoke any certificate belonging to those who have made these threats, because if that's the way you think then you shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm/shotgun. And judging by the illiteracy on here it beats me how some of you managed to fill in your application forms!!!!!!!!!! G.M. HERE HERE !! We dont need antis ! we turn on our own ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I am sure this is a repeat of a similar thread on here awhile back. Is there any truth to the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 A significant number of posts have been removed, as once again some members forget they are posting on a public access Forum. This thread concerns a secondhand story, told to the OP by the dog owner whose dog has supposedly been shot, under circumstances that nobody can substantiate. On that basis, some of the comments made on the thread make you wonder how people got, or retain their gun licences (those that have them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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