Dunkield Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 the real lifetime warranty. The only problem I have ever had with this is if it breaks you just get another Leupold I have never owned one and probably never will, the only one that ever impressed me was the Mk4 (?) I brought back from the States for Drovers, and even that had a tiny dot on the glass from new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Perhaps it's age and worn out vision but two things always evade my understanding. How do you shoot rooks/crows at 300 yards when the damn things don't keep still for more than a nano second? When lamping your effective range is governed by the performance of the lamp. Whereas I'm all in favour of a good scope (the VX 111 4.5 to 14 by 50 did it for me) but why the need for a £1000 scope when the vast majority of foxes are shot much closer than many would have you believe anyway. Could I suggest that a good compromise would be the MTC Genesis with the AMD reticule. When used, only the small fine centre cross-hairs light up with the IR selection. Certainly worth a look even though you may decide that I'm talking bunkum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Alot of very good glass out there but one not mentioned so far is Nikon, I have a 4-16 x 50 SF monarch, bought it as price to good to refuse and what a scope. I read a write up somewhere a while back and it was compared to Swartzy, S &B and zeis and it did surprisingly well and its a sub £500 scope. Compared with my zeiss its better glass and generally just a great scope. Worth a look if you want to buy a brilliant scope and invest the money you would save on a Swartzy toward a stalking lease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 You get a £1000 scope because you can afford a £1000 scope. It why people have bmws and mercs when a £300 for ka will do the same job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 You get a £1000 scope because you can afford a £1000 scope. It why people have bmws and mercs when a £300 for ka will do the same job. Tripe! sorry...but it is - the difference is plainly obvious between a £300 scope and a £1000+ scope - having got rid of a swaro and putting a temp scope on ( a nikko sterling) the fill in is an okay scope but I am coming out of the high seat half an hour before i was with my swaro! and from someone who was in a big accident in a german car - I can tell you all 3 persons who reviewed the accident commented I wouldn't have walked away had i been in a ford/vauxhaul probably etc....the quality feel is obvious. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Couple a reticle like this with good glass and that tiny centre dot is all you need illuminated to place an accurate shot after the light fades without closing down your pupils. Superb for long range vermin in daylight too! This one was on a scope that really changed my perception of Zeiss optics and I would have bought one if i could have afforded it as it was just a sublime scope/reticle combo. This reticle is available on the Duralyt too at a third of that price and consequently makes it top my `Recomended` list for those not too pig headed to listen wanting a superb optic at intermediate price. Cockercass has just ordered one and im very sure it will add much more to his already extensive shooting skills and opportunites. I wish I got paid to say that or made a quick buck out of doing so but I dont Kent so when friends and I hope that includes PW mwmbers ask for honest advice, I GIVE IT based upon the fact I get to play with a lot of gear these days and not only write it up, but get a direct comparison between itself and it's peers. Fister, can i get a job?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Scope threads general attract the same sort of comments. I would say if you can't see the difference between one scope and another then you really are wasting your time/money. If you can feel it, and see it, and afford it - why not knock yourself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 You get a £1000 scope because you can afford a £1000 scope. It why people have bmws and mercs when a £300 for ka will do the same job. Have to say that you're right - on two counts. One, is that we all do it and it's why I shoot a Churchill. Most of the time it's image (there's an element of that with me, I confess) as if this were not so, Mercedes Benz drivers could explain Mercedes and the meaning of the emblem. Two, whereas I was replying to the OP who, would imagine, finds some of these posts superfuous and of no interest, your post made me look again at what he said. Sure enough, he doesn't say that he needs a better scope but wants to treat himself. And why not, go for it, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Fister, can i get a job?? Not until you improve your shooting.Breaking its leg just so you can track it is not on fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Whatever you do,get the best you can afford.Me personally,i like a high mag scope with a largish objective for max light gathering.I shoot on x16 all the time,and if im wanting to have a good clear look up closer i can wind it up to max and with the good glass its still relatively clear.I used to think the Nightforce was good,and although pretty bomb proof,when you compare it to the Zeiss for picture quality when used in the extremes it seems a class below.When it comes to reticules i like them pretty simple and nothing complicated to take the eye away from what im looking at and with the Ret 60i i think you cant get much better and with easy adjustment to the brightness. You will get loads of differing opinions and a lot of them biased because they have,but look in the mags for reviews in your price range and you should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Not until you improve your shooting.Breaking its leg just so you can track it is not on fella. awww....shucks.... it was the only way i could catch it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 some of it is affordability but when you are in this budget and looking at new leupold or second hand scopes from the likes of S&B Zeiss and Swaro then there really is no competition buy the second hand german glass. For starters you get something that is better and secondly you simply don't loose money, the leupy will be worth 60% max of the purchase price when you open the box. So its not just about spending money some do make a canny buy even the scottish members would be proud of anyway now sportsman have finally delivered my new one I'm fitting my new z6i 5-30x50 and hopefully will christen it at the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeyoakey Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 `My golly I know i'm a bit green when it comes to optics etc, but it sure makes very interesting reading, the comments from you chaps that are in the know. There is bound to be conflicting opinions as we all like different things in life. But as a mere novice in the field i can assure you all that lots of different views / opinions have been a great help to me. Looking in from the outside i am sure no mailce was meant from anybody, and i would like to say that you all have been a great help to me. many thanks Smokey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Look through as many as you can is the advice, best to have a proper look if you can just a quick squint at game fairs isn't the same as testing one out in low light but that isn't always possible. With regards to value, I could flog either of my Swarovski's for more than I paid for them, one of them would make me an easy 2-300 quid if I wanted to sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 some of it is affordability but when you are in this budget and looking at new leupold or second hand scopes from the likes of S&B Zeiss and Swaro then there really is no competition buy the second hand german glass. For starters you get something that is better and secondly you simply don't loose money, the leupy will be worth 60% max of the purchase price when you open the box. So its not just about spending money some do make a canny buy even the scottish members would be proud of anyway now sportsman have finally delivered my new one I'm fitting my new z6i 5-30x50 and hopefully will christen it at the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 hey I've seen you in your midge net you're harder to offend than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Gixer. You have missed what I was saying. If you have £300 to spend you get a £300 scope. I was answering the post before about the need for a £1000 scope. Its because you can. I used the car example of a bmw vs ford because a £300 banger will get you from A to B but a BMW (because you can afford it) gets you there in much more comfort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 it actually gets you there as well, certain situations you won't take a shot with a £300 scope or worse miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Like a 300 meter fox under the lamp for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby22 Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Thanks for the responses, really good points raised!! Second hand swaro or S&b would be the ideal by the sounds of it, but I'm also intrigued by ziess? Thanks again Robby22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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