la bala Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 i use 22 rimfire when rabbiting, obviously havnt got fox on my ticket, if charlie happens to show himself at 50yds and i drop him, am i legal or not. thanks for any input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Sorry to say but as far as i am aware Not 22 rimfire is not recognised as a suitable caliber to dispatch a fox even though i disagree having been shot with a 22 pistol it would come under the cruelty to animals Act. thats in Leicester different constabularys look at calibers differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blister Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 if you ant got fox on your ticket commonsense should say no you cant com on :innocent: :innocent: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 if you ant got fox on your ticket commonsense should say no you cant com on :innocent: :innocent: just asking a question, thats what forums are for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 just asking a question, thats what forums are for Not this one sadly, mate; testosterone rules here! My FAC which contains 2 22 Hornets and a 22 LR states, "the firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/ fox and for zeroing.....) It does NOT specify which calibre for which species. Just let common sense prevail and err on the side of caution. In your case, with a total absence of fox specified, common sense says it's a no no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) i wood have ed a guess but i will bet a months wages more foxes get shot dead with a 22 lr than c/f just my veiw if you keep ranges too 50 ......60 yards there more than enough and on your fac it says vermin and lets think about it im sure fox is classed as vermin Edited August 18, 2012 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 thanks for your replies lads, all points taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry31 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Playing devils advocate are foxes vermin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurielexus Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I spoke with cambs firearms dept a while ago now before I had my 22-250 for foxing I had a 17hmr and a 22lr and they said as long as it was close enough you can use your own judgement on weather it will be humane. The foxing calibres in the home office guidelines are guides on common calibres used there are larger calibres that are more than adequate for the job at the same range that are not mentioned Because it is just a guide. Which means there are also smaller calibres not mentioned but are still adequate (at the right range) That was what I was told anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Whilst unless at short range its not recommended, if you have vermin on your ticket - what is a fox? No case law yet, as far as I am aware but I'm betting a fox is vermin and vice versa. Anyone else know differently , i'd be grateful to hear it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry31 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 My point exactly I agree a .22 is not idea but where dos it say you can't shoot foxes with one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) If your certificate says you can shoot 'vermin' with the .22lr then I'd say it's legal - or at least not illegal. From the dictionary: Vermin noun, plural ver·min. 1. noxious, objectionable, or disgusting animals collectively,especially those of small size that appear commonly and aredifficult to control, as flies, lice, bedbugs, cockroaches,mice, and rats. 2. an objectionable or obnoxious person, or such personscollectively. 3. animalsthatpreyupongame,ascoyotesorweasels. I think that the dictionary makes it quite clear that vermin should include foxes - but with all this said, I wouldn't want to be the one up in court having to prove this to retain my certificate. If you do have vermin listed and one crops up, only head shoot it and I wouldn't go at it beyond about 50 yards. Edited August 18, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry31 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 As per my earlier post I have only been playing devils advocate I only shoot foxes with my CF. I am just curious as where it says its not legal to use a rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 As per my earlier post I have only been playing devils advocate I only shoot foxes with my CF. I am just curious as where it says its not legal to use a rimfire Precisely! My cert infers that it is legal, yet many others have it that it is not. The sooner they get the certs under one national control system with a common approach and wording the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 i asked this question a few years ago and was told that unless a states Fox for that caliber you are on dodgy ground when the 17hmr came to little lots of people were using them effectivley but it all comes down to humane Dispatch and my force will not pass a .22lr or 17hmr for use on foxes thats why my licence says 22 CF for foxes all you need is some do gooder to see you and ring the old bill they check you licence and next thing you know you are tird in knots. your licence fare to say, we all know what we can do but if checked then it could be costly and then you have the RSPCA to deal with. If you want an answer phone your fire arms department and ask them people on this forums only can advise not specify. Hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 didnt basc put somthing up not long ago about this and thay say fox is vermin so comes under the vermin part of the licence. the two foxes iv had with th .22 droped where they was not a twich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry31 Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I've just had my ticket out to check on my conditions to refresh my mind and both my 17 and my 22 rimfires are cleared on my conditions for fox so im now more confused. Just to clarify things im not new to shooting I've had my firearms 15 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 The're vermin on my shoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 None of my CFs have fox. Just vermin and deer. That's all you need to shoot a fox in my opinion. Can you honestly imagine getting charged for shooting a fox under the 'wrong' condition of vermin? And who is honestly going to pull you up for it? Wouldn't stand in court in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. Each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I have been asking for humane despatch on my cert, as farmers sometimes have a problem which they look to you to solve. My FEO's advice - it doesnt matter if its not on your ticket, if its just the odd one now and again. I'm thinking of getting that in writing. However we are on much more solid ground with 'Vermin' IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) stop typing and just get out and shoot them! more foxes get shot with .22lr than any other rifle....mainly because there are more .22lr than any other rifle!! a) Vermin is not classified in law. a fox's inclusion in this is open to interpretation b ) the .22lr is specifically mentioned in the HO guidance and refers to circumstances where it may be applicable c) no-one has or is ever likely to be prosecuted for SOLELY shooting a fox when the FAC says Ground game and Vermin d) who exactly is going to enforce this rule that doesnt exist and under what jurisdiction? no-one cares apart from the forums Edited August 20, 2012 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 stop typing and just get out and shoot them! more foxes get shot with .22lr than any other rifle....mainly because there are more .22lr than any other rifle!! a) Vermin is not classified in law. a fox's inclusion in this is open to interpretation b ) the .22lr is specifically mentioned in the HO guidance and refers to circumstances where it may be applicable c) no-one has or is ever likely to be prosecuted for SOLELY shooting a fox when the FAC says Ground game and Vermin d) who exactly is going to enforce this rule that doesnt exist and under what jurisdiction? no-one cares apart from the forums here here just shoot them in the head at 60 yards and throw them in ditch bottom job done then no 1 is any wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 My feo has said the "any other lawful quarry" part on my ticket covers fox and so none of my rifle's conditions mention fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Of course it's legal, they are vermin as said by many. All the guys with CF's saying it's not legal, if your farmer or you catch a fox in a live trap do you use you CF to dispatch it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bolt94 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 This is what is listed in the Northern Ireland guidance notes: "Foxes 22) Generally the most appropriate rifle cartridges for shooting foxes are .218 Bee, .22 Hornet and.17 Remington though there is a wide range of suitable similar calibres commercially available. .22 Rimfire is generally too low-powered to be effective against foxes, except at short range, but may reasonably be permitted for use against them in certain circumstances. However, sole use against foxes would not normally be good reason to acquire one..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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