Thunderbird Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Considering he'll be out in half the time if he behaves: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19549082 Just thought it seemed a bit on the lenient side. Wonder if him handing himself in helped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'd start at 10 for one-punch manslaughter myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 It may have started at 10. But, knock off one third for a guilty plea. Then perhaps a few more for handing oneself in etc. The I think there’s a standard policy of serving half and then having half on parole sort of thing. Bear in mind that the few years in prison isn’t the whole of the punishment. He’ll probably be on licence for a while after, maybe curfew, community service and so forth. Personally, I’m not a big fan of prison as a punishment. I see it more as a way of keeping the bad people off the street to protect the innocent (in lieu of just shooting them). I’d suggest that the guy in the article isn’t likely to be a menace to anyone anymore (pending phych evaluations). We, as a society, don’t need to be protected from him. But, he does need to be punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'd start at 10 for one-punch manslaughter myself Sounds about right,so long as they served 10.Doesn't matter what WE think though,really.Just goes to show how easy these things happen.The lad who killed another lad in a fight in our town some years ago did it with a mis-timed punch;hit him on the side of the neck,and that was it.He was out in less than 5. I don't know if there was alcohol involved in the linked item(just read the headline)but every weekend in our local rag there are loads of reports of court cases where the defendant has assualted some person or other and then claimed they had 'drunk copious amounts' or 'under the influence of alcohol' or 'had been drinking heavily previously in the day'. All very sad;another families life devastated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 We, as a society, don’t need to be protected from him. As long as his cheese is the right consistency at any rate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) but if the cheese had bin done right this wood not have happened iv had it a few times with my local curry house not putting forks in bag that's maybe why the judge gave such a light sentence he maybe thinks that shops like this need to get there food orders correct But i wood have increased the sentence for not ordering a kebab what was he thinking ? Edited September 11, 2012 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 and then claimed they had 'drunk copious amounts' or 'under the influence of alcohol' or 'had been drinking heavily previously in the day'. It does indeed. The way it's reported is that these things are offered in mitigation. Almost like the perpetrator is a teeny bit a victim because of the nasty lager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 It's a bit like drink driving, no one means to do it but we all know what the effects can be- same with copious amounts of ale, then a drug on top og it. Yes he didn't set out to kill anyone but who poured the alse down his throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I’d suggest that the guy in the article isn’t likely to be a menace to anyone anymore That's probably what they said just before he killed the man. It should have been 10 for starters - forget handing himself in or guilty plea - he did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 It's a bit like drink driving, no one means to do it but we all know what the effects can be- same with copious amounts of ale, then a drug on top og it. Yes he didn't set out to kill anyone but who poured the alse down his throat. Most people know exactly what they are doing when get behind the wheel whilst under the influence. The chances of being caught are so slim they think its worth the risk. Alcohol shouldnt be used as a defence of anything. nobody is forcing them to get drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 That's probably what they said just before he killed the man. It should have been 10 for starters - forget handing himself in or guilty plea - he did it. But that presumes that a long term prison sentence is a sensible punishment. Which, in general, I don’t. I believe a shortish sentence for the shock value if it followed by some community punishment is the way to go for those who are willing to do it. (I like the 3 strikes approach. 1 warning, 2 bigger warning, 3 throw away the key) I’m sure we all have mates who occasionally throw the odd punch. Perhaps when going through a divorce or being made redundant they’ve been short tempered and aggressive and done something stupid. But, generally are law abiding people. If they threw such a darkly unlucky punch would you want them to be in jail for 10 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 should be 25 years minimum in my opinion. Its about time we had a massive overhaul of the system. But that presumes that a long term prison sentence is a sensible punishment. Which, in general, I don’t. I believe a shortish sentence for the shock value if it followed by some community punishment is the way to go for those who are willing to do it. (I like the 3 strikes approach. 1 warning, 2 bigger warning, 3 throw away the key) I’m sure we all have mates who occasionally throw the odd punch. Perhaps when going through a divorce or being made redundant they’ve been short tempered and aggressive and done something stupid. But, generally are law abiding people. If they threw such a darkly unlucky punch would you want them to be in jail for 10 years? Im sure the victims family wouldnt see it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Agree Shaun. Hear your point Robl, there should have been no punch in the first place. Having to drive through Leeds late at night most weeks on a friday, i see all the drunken behaviour and it's time w eput a stop to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Im sure the victims family wouldnt see it that way. I’m sure you’re right. But, justice isn’t supposed to be about emotion. It’s an interesting situation. Who is the worse criminal? The guy who throws a punch at 2am after a night out drinking and by a million to one chance it kills someone. Who then hands himself into the police, pleads guilty and says sorry. Or The man who has deliberately burgled 150 houses over the last 6 years, ignored 20 court summons, not paid his fines and treats the courts and his victims with contempt. If there were 2 jail spaces left, one for 6 months and one for 10 years, which would you hand to which? (I know jails don’t work like that, it’s just food for thought.) In the cold light logic, it was manslaughter, but it was just one punch. Should he be punished more than the guy who knocked someone down and then continued to kick them in the head and chest until they broke ribs and skull? Should intent of action be considered as well as consequence of action when considering punishment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I’m sure you’re right. But, justice isn’t supposed to be about emotion. It’s an interesting situation. Who is the worse criminal? The guy who throws a punch at 2am after a night out drinking and by a million to one chance it kills someone. Who then hands himself into the police, pleads guilty and says sorry. Or The man who has deliberately burgled 150 houses over the last 6 years, ignored 20 court summons, not paid his fines and treats the courts and his victims with contempt. If there were 2 jail spaces left, one for 6 months and one for 10 years, which would you hand to which? (I know jails don’t work like that, it’s just food for thought.) In the cold light logic, it was manslaughter, but it was just one punch. Should he be punished more than the guy who knocked someone down and then continued to kick them in the head and chest until they broke ribs and skull? Should intent of action be considered as well as consequence of action when considering punishment? Its a good point but at the end of the day his actions got him into the situation, he chose to drink, take illegal drugs and then attack someone over some cheese! He then proceeded to attack someone else For that he is no better than any other violent offender regardless of whether he handed himself in. In my opinion anyway. Prison may not be the ideal solution but its what we have and a long stretch would have given him time to think about his actions. Instead he will be out in under 2 and going about his life again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 but it was just one punch I must have missed something here. A man has died and he is supposed to be better than a burglar. He was prepared to punch (and kill) someone over cheese. I think burglars are scum, but people who would kill over a matter of melted cheese - they are sick. Before we go down the rose tinted road of "he didn't mean to kill" - it's just a bit late for that. I have real difficulty in knowing whether you are serious. If you are, you have my sympathy. You don't believe in prison - well I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 insulting sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juby trap Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 so this is wot a lifes worth today . drunk or sober he hit someone hard enough to kill them with one punch , no accident !!!!!! just been on the news man jailed for life for killing his partner when drunk . please wots the diffrence ? . a life is a life . victims family should appeal . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 all violent offenders need to be in prison killers and thugs alike society should not have to tolerate such ****s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 The family will brie a bit cheesed off but hopefully they wont camembert a grudge for ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) In two minds about this.... One side of me says these things happen in towns all over the country and he was "unlucky" that the guy died... Other side of me says he got a sentence that was just as he should not have thrown the punch that killed him We dont know if the guy was prevoked or anything tho Edited September 11, 2012 by leeds chimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I listened to it on radio 2 at lunch time, a bit more was discussed about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If the guy was not drunk and on drugs I would say eighteen months was enough but with the drink and drugs I would give him 20 years if you cannot hold your drink and trust yourself not to hit people then you deserve all that comes to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If the guy was not drunk and on drugs I would say eighteen months was enough but with the drink and drugs I would give him 20 years if you cannot hold your drink and trust yourself not to hit people then you deserve all that comes to you. Hang on, so by that logic it's 20 years if drunk but if you don't drink but throw a 'sober' punch that kills someone just because you're such a scrote you can't keep your temper over some chips then it's just 18 months....am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hang on, so by that logic it's 20 years if drunk but if you don't drink but throw a 'sober' punch that kills someone just because you're such a scrote you can't keep your temper over some chips then it's just 18 months....am I missing something? When the chips are down you never know how you will react. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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