Will Poon Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 So watching sky news about the judge sort of commenting about what hapened about the burgulars going into someone's house, can we or can't we defend our home and family with our shotgun?? Comments from a lawyer or someone in the police would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 the wife said she seen something on the news about ,if we own a gun license we can protect are homes ,well if thats the case the number of gun licences will go up in the next 12 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 the wife said she seen something on the news about ,if we own a gun license we can protect are homes ,well if thats the case the number of gun licences will go up in the next 12 months Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 That's very true pigeon Pete , I was thinking about asking this question to the firearms department , better not as I may have an unexpected visit from my FEO , but really can we defend ourselves and home by getting our trusty shottie out even to just scare them off ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx3 clay breaker Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) Well a lot of the times they only have to see a gun and poop there's selfs Edited September 28, 2012 by Sx3 clay breaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blister Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 if you think that you are in danger or your family are at risk of lossing your life you are allowed to protect your self as well as family thats what i was led to belive but then the question comes up are they going to wait till you get your gun out the cab probley ok if you have it in the bedroom but i think you have to show that you were in danger of lossing your life like if they had a gun or aknife or really any object in there hand then i would say yes well i would if they came into my house with knifes our any object that i thought was going to be life threatning to me or my family and yes i would shoot them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Thanks blister that's the sort of answer I was looking for I think, BUT is it legal or not thats the question , or are all circumstances different.... Hhhmmmm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Amazing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 English law has always allowed the use of force, up to and including lethal force, for self defence. The problem is that each incident is judged upon the individual circumstances. Does this judgement give blanket permission to shoot intruders? - No, it does`nt. The same rules still apply although the "stated case" that this judicial decision gives, at long last, puts a common sense slant on the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 It would be nice if all the judges sang off the same song sheet. After all they are supposed to uphold "The Law", not their interpretation of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 There are enough people out there who think gun owners are nutters - I think a subject like this in an open forum doesn't look great for us! I think you do as you see appropriate at the time should the worst happen. Just my insignificant opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I haven't kept up with this story. Did those people get their guns back? And if not how does that square with their being absolved of any wrong-doing? I can't trust a judicial system when one judge can warn burglers they should expect to be shot and have no-one to blame but themselves, while another tells them they are brave for the risks they take. Where do they find these people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I haven't kept up with this story. Did those people get their guns back? And if not how does that square with their being absolved of any wrong-doing? I can't trust a judicial system when one judge can warn burglers they should expect to be shot and have no-one to blame but themselves, while another tells them they are brave for the risks they take. Where do they find these people? its a mixed message and the second case he did have the PM telling him to get a grip. This case it was done right it was true self defence with a legal firearm and the career criminals had a history of violence so they were lucky they had a gun in the house. But you can't sleep with one under the bed loaded in case it still has to be stored properly, however if you do get time to get it out and load it and are scared for your life then you can use it simple. Much as you can use a cricket bat or knife and though you will be arrested as long as it was in self defence you will go free. However shoot them in the back running away you won't or shoot the milkman because he is a bit early or trickle treaters and you will get locked up. The thing with this case is it was very much in the public eye and I wouldn't be surprised if the CPS got lent on from very high to release them ASAP As far as licensing goes they are looking to emigrate so I doubt we will hear if they kept the gun or not. If it was out ready then they can expect to not keep it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 the law is clear it is 'appropriate and proportionate' defence which is permissable.If you leave your gun out or have pre-meditated use of your shotgun I would suggest your defence would be much more difficult..If I heard someone in my house I would not dream of getting any guns out......perhaps a bat and the dogs but not a gun.I would hope for most of us even the thought of using guns would be only a last & desperate resort......This is not USA and these cases do not GIVE the green light to home defence..Whatever we all think of burglars/thiefs,just imagine it was your son/nephew slammed at a mates 18th fumbling into the wrong garden shed...would you be happy for them to get shot!!!??..cannot have a carte blanche 'yes its fine to shoot people'...truly mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Given the proportion of people on this forum (a pigeon shooting forum) that struggle to distinguish when/where it is legal to shoot pigeons - the thought of them being let loose on humans (albeit in their own homes) is terrifying. I think some people have been watching too many films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 You don't actually have to shoot the burglar , if I was breaking into someone's house and heard the person shout... I have a gun **** off out my house then a clic clak .. I would poop my self . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 If you live in an isolated dwelling and you hear clattering in the outbuildings I guess you have time to get your gun for self defence for when you go and investigate, or to protect you and yours in your final refuge. The terror is in the waiting for them to bash down your bedroom door. That's when fury, fear and anxiety kick in. That's when you are covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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parapilot Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 If you have time to get it out to defend yourself then that's great, but you have to be in fear of your life or the life of your family to use such force. As comments above, I struggle to understand how it goes far enough to actually shoot the burglers. Surly the closing of a gun would be enough to send anyone running, or if it was me they would get a warning shot first. They would have to be total loonys not to run after that, if they still come at you, then you may not have any choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 defending house? no. defending life? yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I think in general the pendulum of law is swinging back to the side of the home owner. If you have your shotgun upstairs and there’s an intruder downstairs then it’s in your best interested to take the gun to defend yourself and your property. I guess things might be a bit different if a farmer used his hunting rifle to score a headshot on the person breaking into his barn. But shooting a shotgun cart at a couple of intruders in the kitchen to make then run back out the door seems fair enough. (just keep the second cart ready in case one of them runs towards you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 or the third as I'd sure use the auto in preference to anything else as I don't have a hatstand it wouldn't scare me that it might jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Clay cartridges are OK on burglars aren't they? At sensible ranges of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 What about steel shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 or the third as I'd sure use the auto in preference to anything else as I don't have a hatstand it wouldn't scare me that it might jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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