pegasus bridge Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 I agree. We do it because six people in Islington who read and write the Guardian, and some overweight disgruntled lesbians who work in local government and keep cats have watched Ghandi too many times and feel guilty about the British empire. They believe modern Britons must be punished for the sins of their great great great great grandfathers so they give away our money, debase our history, and hand out passports like sweets as penance, and they can because since New Labour made the necessary structural alterations to counter the anomally of democratic elections returning the wrong government, they now run the country. beautifully put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Kdubya, good point but i think they go hand in hand. Remove the scum of society and stop them poncing of the state but also take the same route the Kiwis & Aussies do. You can only come in if you have a job to go to or can add something. Asylum seekers are always a touchy subject. If they come from a genuine wartorn nation then fine, if the are just looking for the best benefits then send em back to France or wherever they come from. I have always insisted that New labour were one step away from communism, their actions prove it. Socialism wants a society reliant on the state and in thrall to their leaders. Just want Blair, Mandleson & Brown wanted, hence their social experiment to garner votes and increase the public sector to make those voters reliant on them for jobs. Tie in the benefits issue and you understand part of how we got into this mess. Even if they do then we still shouldn't take them. The definition of 'refugee' accepted by the UN is that you are fleeing persecution and that you seek refuge in the first safe country you come to. So, unless someone arrives directly by plane or boat or they are fleeing persecution in France then they are not a refugee and has no claim to asylum. You do not get to chose which country you claim asylum in. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE AD Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 The lad who works for me has a sister in law who is single and claiming off the state.She has recently had her fifth child she has not told who the father is. He said she was getting over four hundred pounds per week before the new baby,so will get even more now. She drives around in a 05 car goes out on the pi%s when she wants and also smokes. Iv'e seen the kids and there minging scruffy **** unwashed just left with anyone so she can go out. He said the house is just clutter no space on floor full of cloths and pots,kitchen no room on any surface as pots and pans all over. So the children will think this is the norm and follow suit. Even her mother and father say she should have them taken of her. These are the people who should have the benefits looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I would like to introduce my universal benefit system, NOBODY GETS BENEFITS. Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I would like to introduce my universal benefit system, NOBODY GETS BENEFITS. Easy. Works fine in Spain, the only benefit system they have there comes from the church and the local priest. The lazy just get sent on their way and told to get a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Works fine in Spain, the only benefit system they have there comes from the church and the local priest. The lazy just get sent on their way and told to get a job. No welfare state and still bankrupt. That's what happens when you try to build your way out of decline with borrowed money. Ruined landscape, ruined economy, fractured society. Coming to a damp and over-crowded north Atlantic archipelago near you some time soon. Edited December 27, 2012 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 No welfare state and still bankrupt. That's what happens when you try to build your way out of decline with borrowed money. Ruined landscape, ruined economy, fractured society. Coming to a damp and over-crowded north Atlantic archipelago near you some time soon. Yes but they are alright because they can all come here, so thats OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Yes but they are alright because they can all come here, so thats OK. They will indeed. In anticipation of economic collapse in Spain the EU introduced a "relocation allowance" to encourage young Spaniards to travel to Britain to claim benefits. Or benefit tourism as everyone else calls it. This allows Spain to reduce its costs as unemployment soars - or rather unload those costs on Britain - and massage its unemployment figures at the same time, helping to paint the Euro project in a falsely optimistic light for the benefit of the IMF and the bond markets. This will be extended to Romania and Bulgaria. By 2014 you'll be lucky to hear an English voice, or even the English language, in UK jobcentres. I imagine we will be required to concrete over more of our islands and build free houses for these people just as we have for the 3 million who preceded them. Britain will also be obliged to pay for free interpreters for these EU dole-claimants. At the same time the NHS will be banned from demanding language tests for EU doctors and medical staff, so immigrant quacks without a word of English will be sanctioned to continue killing British patients with their incompetence while qualified applicants from commonwealth nations like Australia, New Zealand and Canada who share our head of state as well as our language will be required by EU law to take language tests before applying for employment in the NHS. We have been singled out for this burden as a way of extorting by stealth British money and access to Britain's employment market and welfare system in contribution to the endless and futile Euro bail-out programme. It is punishment for being 'bad' Europeans and not joining the club and sharing the misery. Our government has waved through this act of piracy without a murmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 it beggars belief when you think that we PAY 250 million to India every year for the impoverished: The only problem is>>> They spend EXACTLY that amount on Rockets for Space Research, the impoverished obviously don`t get it: If you were in india, you wouldn`t get a plaster for a cut finger, why do we all bother: No cash for India after 2015, the tap is being turned off, but the total we give to foreign aid will stay the same, we will just be sending it elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 my girlfriends sister lives the life of a millionaire... she has 4 kids to 3 different dads, she has never worked a day in her life, 2 of her kids have been taken into care she is a full blown alcoholic yet she lives in a 275k council house in sale manchester...3 holidays per year with her kids "to bond with them"...her house is full of new stuff TV,sofa,sky tv, and she gets vouchers for clothes at marks and spencers...shopping is all paid for and she spends her days and nights in the local pub....according to her "normall people dont have a job"...makes my blood boil, i had to work all xmas day and she was laughing at my mrs over the table saying "good i need somone to pay for another holiday for me"...how can this be allowed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 my girlfriends sister lives the life of a millionaire... she has 4 kids to 3 different dads, she has never worked a day in her life, 2 of her kids have been taken into care she is a full blown alcoholic yet she lives in a 275k council house in sale manchester...3 holidays per year with her kids "to bond with them"...her house is full of new stuff TV,sofa,sky tv, and she gets vouchers for clothes at marks and spencers...shopping is all paid for and she spends her days and nights in the local pub....according to her "normall people dont have a job"...makes my blood boil, i had to work all xmas day and she was laughing at my mrs over the table saying "good i need somone to pay for another holiday for me"...how can this be allowed?? Ask Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Exactly right Vince, new communism played a big joker when they started muking around with immigration. it's the worse type of social engineering but Cameron will not tackle it. Most of my most placid middle of the road friends are now ranting about unbridled imigration and the benefits system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) I think its a culture we have created. A couple in the press last year with six kids where on £64,000 per annum, when all the dvla,house Ben child Ben CTC was taken into consideration, all tax free.If he got of his **** he couldn't find employment with that level of inc. then have too start paying tax.he would be making his family worse off and those where his words.For some claiming benefits has become a career. Unfortunately those who need it are going to be penalised Edited December 28, 2012 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) I think its a culture we have created. A couple in the press last year with six kids where on £64,000 per annum, when all the dvla,house Ben child Ben CTC was taken into consideration, all tax free.If he got of his **** he couldn't find employment with that level of inc. then have too start paying tax.he would be making his family worse off and those where his words.For some claiming benefits has become a career. Unfortunately those who need it are going to be penalised Yes but whats to stop him then going out and earning £600 a week cash in hand driving a minicab or cleaning windows on top of the benefits? . http://www.dailymail...ion-Africa.html Edited December 28, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 There is no easy answer but I like the Swiss way of doing things. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Specials/Switzerland:_How_to/Work_Life/Social_security_payments.html?cid=29236972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2012 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I think there are some genuine people who are unable to find work and the problem is with this government if you work then your worse off. I do feel sorry for some of the parents who have 3 children and earn very little! But there is a small minority where im from that seem to have children so that they dont have to work which is abusing the system. Im fed up as a working class citizen in forking out 20% of my monthly pay to tax! they claimed it would only be temporary but they clearly lied! Alot of these politicians are only init for themselves and lining theyre own pockets. They want to take a pay cut themselves and also cut the benefit of people that are getting extra money to drink themselves to death and shoot heroin into theyre veins day in and day out, not attack poor familys who are trying to make ends meat it makes me sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Got to tell you about this one: My Father-in-Law, Died when he was 63: My Mother-in-Law had to go out cleaning at the local hospital to make ends meet, and they didn`t meet either::: No money from her husbands pension ALL GONE,, Where do you think it went: If You look at the pages on here, you will see::: Scroungers: All Colours as well:: She had to pay for her own funeral with her last bit of cash: IF I Go to the Bank manager and ask him for a Pension, He Will say certainly, whats your account number??, Oh i Don`t have one,,, I cannot do that, The Bank would go Bankrupt,,:: My Reply would be: ""Well The UK` is Doing it"".... Grrrrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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