funkey monkey Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hello I am in the market for some good optics for my .17 for general hunting. I like the look of the Schmidt & Bender - Klassik 8x56 30mm And the Zeiss - Duralyt 3-12x50 Any pros and cons of the above? Also any other you can recommend? My budget is £600 Many thanks sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Save your money get a Mtc or similar for half the price, rimfire you just won't get the benefit from an expensive scope, you will also find you want more magnification than a fixed 8 power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Have a look at uttings they have some good deals on. Im pondering on getting a leupold tactical for just over that price for the .223. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 For a .17 which has the potential to shoot at long distances you really want a decent scope, preferably one that goes up to 16/18x magnification. Fixed power scopes like a 8 x 56 are great for a stalking rifle but not so great for a long range vermin gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 The Duralyt is awesome ! I have 1 on my .204 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Save your money get a Mtc or similar for half the price, rimfire you just won't get the benefit from an expensive scope, you will also find you want more magnification than a fixed 8 power I disagree about the expensive scope on a rimfire, surely wether it's a cf or rimfire the benefits of better glass are the same if used at dusk/dawn or under lamp. I agree you can get away with a cheaper scope on a .22lr to a certain extent as the ranges are a lot shorter but surely if the op wants to be head shooting rabbits at over 100yrds at dusk/dawn/night the benefits of better glass would be far more beneficial than on a cf shooting in the same conditions at a fox size object at the same range. OP- I think this would do you nicely if still availible http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/226400-sb-25-10x56/ or one of the others mentioned. Edited November 9, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliesims Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'm saving for one of these and if you buy soon comes free with a leupold range finder worth £270!! http://mobile.uttings.co.uk/Product/766/109011/leupold-vx-r-3-9x50-rifle-scope/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkey monkey Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Thanks for the quick replies I had cheeper scopes before just want something that's going to last so if upgrade to a cf I can swap across. Also want good light transition as most of my shooting is done in the evenings/night Swaying towards the zeiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 The Duralyt is awesome ! I have 1 on my .204 +1 For the Zeiss Duralyt. I have the 3-12x50 on my 243. Like yourself it was deciding between the S&B 8x56 or the Zeiss but i liked the option of a variable zoom so the Zeiss won. Good value for money IMO,as are the whole of the Duralyt range in general although some will probably disagree i suppose ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I've had an S&B 8X56 and currently have a Duralyt on my.222. Little to choose between them. Slightly better light gathering with the S&B though I like the reticle on the Zeiss because its finer. I don't get this obsession with high mag. I'm assuming .17 means HMR rather than Rem or Fireball. In which case it isn't a long range gun, its got a working maximum of 150/160 yds. That's short range, and as its primarily a rabbit gun it will see most action in low light when the mag needs to be reduced to optimum exit pupil anyway. So with a 50mm lense you will finish on 7 power or go home early. I shoot rabbits with my triple out to 300 yds. At that range I admit I could do with variable parallax, and on certain backgrounds its difficult, but 200 - 250 yds shots are bread and butter on 7 power. In fact I may as well have a fixed power on it because I never touch the mag. You do not need high mag. You need clarity and light gathering. In winter I'm often picking off stubborn adult rabbits in ones and twos with the HMR to knock a hole in the breeding stock before the spring. When they're sitting in the bottom of a bare grey hedge often the only thing that gives them away is that little black button eye. Its quality and brightness that picks that out at 150 yds not huge mag. And a nice fine reticle to hit it. Either a Duralyt or a Klassic would make excellent HMR scopes and both will upgrade to stalking use should the need arise. If your .17 is a CF precisely the same thing applies exept that you would benefit from vari parallax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thanks for the quick replies I had cheeper scopes before just want something that's going to last so if upgrade to a cf I can swap across. Also want good light transition as most of my shooting is done in the evenings/night Swaying towards the zeiss In that case it is a bit different, don't discount decent second hand scopes there have been a couple recently including a doctor that's in at the moment that would suit. I have to say I do like to have plenty of mag available when foxing we will often use plenty, if you have it you can use it and as the scope gets better you don't have the fuzziness issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkey monkey Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I do tend to stick on about 8 x or lower at the moment. But I suppose being able to change the nag is just a bonus Also I would like a fine ret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dekers Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Save your money get a Mtc or similar for half the price, rimfire you just won't get the benefit from an expensive scope, you will also find you want more magnification than a fixed 8 power I disagree about the expensive scope on a rimfire, surely wether it's a cf or rimfire the benefits of better glass are the same if used at dusk/dawn or under lamp. I agree you can get away with a cheaper scope on a .22lr to a certain extent as the ranges are a lot shorter but surely if the op wants to be head shooting rabbits at over 100yrds at dusk/dawn/night the benefits of better glass would be far more beneficial than on a cf shooting in the same conditions at a fox size object at the same range. OP- I think this would do you nicely if still availible http://forums.pigeon...00-sb-25-10x56/ or one of the others mentioned. This is one of the reasons I tend to suggest scopes are so personal. I have been in this business a very long time, I shoot on a vast variety of sites, at every quarry you can think of and at all times of day and night. I can honestly put my hand on my heart and say I have never missed or refused a shot on any rimfire because of the scope quality. My rimfire collection has never lived with expensive scopes on them and still don't. I have had expensive scopes and soon moved them on as they gave ME no benefit on the rimfires. Personally I wouldn't entertain putting a £600 scope on any rimfire, not even if I won the Lottery! But as I say, scopes are personal, and whatever anyone else here says it is down to the owner, spend and mount what you want! Edit If low light, night work is a concern, just buy a decent lamp or NV setup! Edited November 10, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 S&B 8X56-Brilliant scope!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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