Paxtond Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 i have a SGC and a FAC. i answered yes to the question do you have any convictions with "handling stolen goods" (when i was 15) "multiply traffic offences" the flo said traffic offences are not a problem as everybody gets done for speeding these days. although Drink driving is a diffrent kettle of fish. he asked questions about cautions i had when i was 14-18 and said to me " hes glad to see i had sorted my self out and now lead a decent life. i did panic and say " sorry i thought cautions didnt needed to be listed" his reply was " you dont but we look at everything" my cautions were for minor things when i was a kid but i was still asked. my advise is listen convictions only but be ready to talk about cautions, FLO's are not big nasty people would are here to stop you, Trevor from Herts was a nice guy, with a good attitude and tbh i couldnt be happier with how him and the whole team processed my application. lets hope they are as on the ball when i put in my variation from next week lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 i have a SGC and a FAC. i answered yes to the question do you have any convictions with "handling stolen goods" (when i was 15) "multiply traffic offences" the flo said traffic offences are not a problem as everybody gets done for speeding these days. although Drink driving is a diffrent kettle of fish. he asked questions about cautions i had when i was 14-18 and said to me " hes glad to see i had sorted my self out and now lead a decent life. i did panic and say " sorry i thought cautions didnt needed to be listed" his reply was " you dont but we look at everything" my cautions were for minor things when i was a kid but i was still asked. my advise is listen convictions only but be ready to talk about cautions, FLO's are not big nasty people would are here to stop you, Trevor from Herts was a nice guy, with a good attitude and tbh i couldnt be happier with how him and the whole team processed my application. lets hope they are as on the ball when i put in my variation from next week lol Agree entirely with this. Also worth pointing out that it contains an actual quote from an actual FEO saying that cautions do not need to be disclosed on the form. Perhaps it be worth posting it in bold type on a sticky to prevent the question being asked again and several pages being taken up by people giving the wrong answer and possibly causing stress and worry for other people? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxtond Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 i found that when i was looking for advise on my application, most internet forums were filled with false info making it seem imposible for a normal person to get a FAC, i say to everybody it was a very simple process and took just under 4 weeks. my advise to everybody is just apply and be honest, if you get turned down you will get a refund anyways, dont listen to internet forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Stock & Barrel Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 As above i have 3 points for speeding to put down on my form, but i did get a police caution in 93. does these need to be put on, hope not as i cant remember what it was for or the date..i was ****** If, like me, your caution was for the speeding offence, of which you either A) pleaded guilty in court, or B) ticked the "Guilty" box on the form which came through the post after you'd been cautioned, then the verdict of guilty is what the police will need to know. I had a similar situation in the '91 - got caught doing 103 mph on the A69 up near Hexham. Got pulled over and coughed to it there and then. The copper politely laughed, asked me stop and listen to him, and then cautioned me. Because I faced the prospect of a ban, the A69 is only an A road, not a motorway, so the speed there at the time was only 60 mph, I elected to go to court and fling myself on the mercy of the magistrates as I needed my car for my job. I was suitably contrite and the beaks gave me a whopping fine and 6 points. That said, if your caution was for separate offence, then yes, I'd put it down on your application, and then you can't be accused of trying to hide it or lying. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Being cautioned, and receiving a written caution are 2 very different things Anyway, no, you do not need to put any cautions on a SGC application form, convictions yes, and there is no such thing as 'spent' when it comes to filling in the form You do not need to be exact as to dates, etc. But you do need to be honest. I had a speeding ticket in 1994 (I thought), another in 2002, when I had my FEO interview i discovered the first one was in 1992 ! I also had a written caution for dangerous driving in 1997 or so. Did not put it down, and it was not mentioned in interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) don't understand all the "stick it down then they know you are honest" advice you may be honest but if you can't read and follow instructions it does not bode well for handling firearms! A caution is not a conviction. You are asked about convictions, the definition of which is clear. I had an unsubstantiated complaint against me by a neighbour resulting in a police interview. thrown out by the investigating PC as it was my original complaint that caused it!. I have no doubt that is on record. Should I put that down to show I am "honest" I have been stopped several times by single police officers doing "routine" stops or estimating that I was speeding. No witness or VAS data, no conviction or caution. Bound to be on record BUT NOT RELEVANT should I put that in to be "honest" If it is not a conviction it is of no relevance and you have not been asked to provide info on it. You really are making a bed for yourself if you continue to include info that is of not requested, of no relevance and end up creating a situation where the police may start to expect it "because if you didnt note it down you must be hiding something"! Edited November 22, 2012 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Mine was for taking a spare wheel from a crashed car,it was early hours of the morning on the way home from a club in Hull.the car was the same as mine..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 If, like me, your caution was for the speeding offence, of which you either A) pleaded guilty in court, or B) ticked the "Guilty" box on the form which came through the post after you'd been cautioned, then the verdict of guilty is what the police will need to know. I had a similar situation in the '91 - got caught doing 103 mph on the A69 up near Hexham. Got pulled over and coughed to it there and then. The copper politely laughed, asked me stop and listen to him, and then cautioned me. Because I faced the prospect of a ban, the A69 is only an A road, not a motorway, so the speed there at the time was only 60 mph, I elected to go to court and fling myself on the mercy of the magistrates as I needed my car for my job. I was suitably contrite and the beaks gave me a whopping fine and 6 points. That said, if your caution was for separate offence, then yes, I'd put it down on your application, and then you can't be accused of trying to hide it or lying. Good luck. I think that there is some confusion here between the caution that everyone receives when they are arrested and the Caution which is delevered as a disposal to an alleged offence. They are not the same. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 mine was finger print, photo job. mate got done for drink driving the same night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 The caution - when questioned - is the old Judges' Rules 2a caution from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 The caution - when questioned - is the old Judges' Rules 2a caution from memory. From the old days, "you are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so but anything you do say will be written down in pencil, rubbed out afterwards and changed to suit my purposes," Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 From the old days, "you are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so but anything you do say will be written down in pencil, rubbed out afterwards and changed to suit my purposes," Old days!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Old days!?! Well I'm a long time away so Judges rules have changed. Ways and means act still applies though, I'm sure, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svk Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Old days!?! Pre PACE 1984 Boy, Am I getting old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 The caution - when questioned - is the old Judges' Rules 2a caution from memory. Do you have a link, per chance? Curious as I've not heard of it. Cheers, J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svk Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 The Judges Rules were a set of guide lines developed originally around 1912 which dictates the way the police deal and treat people who have been arrested on suspicion of committing a criminal offence. When arrested the police officer would recite the short caution 'You are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so but what you say may be put into writing and given in evidence'. There was also a formal caution when the suspect was charged 'Do you wish to say anything? You are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so but whatever you say will be taken down in writing and may be given in evidence' The procedures and cautions were changed when the Police and Criminal Evidence Act came into being in 1984. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) Part D Criminal and other convictions (to be completed by all applicants) IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE TO ANSWER INCORRECTLY. Have you ever been convicted or received an (official police caution for any offence), including motoring offences? No Yes If ‘Yes’, give details below. Enter every conviction probation order, absolute/conditional discharge, as well as those resulting in a fine or imprisonment. Details of Spent Convictions must also be given. (Rehabilitation of Offenders (Exceptions) Order Northern Ireland 1979) Edited November 26, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Part D Criminal and other convictions (to be completed by all applicants) IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE TO ANSWER INCORRECTLY. Have you ever been convicted or received an (official police caution for any offence), including motoring offences? No Yes If ‘Yes’, give details below. Enter every conviction probation order, absolute/conditional discharge, as well as those resulting in a fine or imprisonment. Details of Spent Convictions must also be given. (Rehabilitation of Offenders (Exceptions) Order Northern Ireland 1979) Where is that pulled from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Ah, on the NI paperwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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