humain killer-pistol

[trakker01]

hi to all,

 

just wondering any of you guys applied for a humain killer, as in a revolver etc,357 cal or what ever..if so what are your conditions etc...& purpose of use(s)...

 

many thanks

[edd]

we have a bloke who come down the dairy farm where i work who has a 357, he use it for the cows when either broke a leg or just to unwell to get better and puts the out of there missury, they are brillent peices of kits , are you thinking of getting one?

 

 

 

edd

[trakker01]

I was considering one ,but the local F.a.dept thinks its a no no. So they say i'll have to get a 8" barrelled carbine with the arm rest..., is that.. ugly peice of poo poo !!

 

I shoot fox, & occasionally see deer that have been maimed by airgunners & diseased through infection or v.pooly, with injuries.

& though a pistol would be good to shoot at the club also, where i go, & this would be real handy as a humain killer ,as some farmers asked for a hand with sheep/animals ,to be put out, so would be handy for these injured animals..

 

But !!!!

[edd]

the are very use ful peice of kit, if they say no to a pistal , have you tried a bolt gun ( useless at a club but good for up close dispatch, but depends how close you get as a bolt gun it touching the hea of the animal,

 

of coarse if a bolt gun would o ( you have to have a lisence for one and most farmers dont have one so it could be a good idea

[Hunter]

I was considering one ,but the local F.a.dept thinks its a no no. So they say i'll have to get a 8" barrelled carbine with the arm rest..., is that.. ugly peice of poo poo !!

 

I shoot fox, & occasionally see deer that have been maimed by airgunners & diseased through infection or v.pooly, with injuries.

& though a pistol would be good to shoot at the club also, where i go, & this would be real handy as a humain killer ,as some farmers asked for a hand with sheep/animals ,to be put out, so would be handy for these injured animals..

 

But !!!!

 

Theres nothing a shotgun or centerfire cant do that the .357 will. I think you more want the thing to impress people with and visit the local club with rather then using it to put down sheep.

Even a .22 rimfire will put down a Deer or similar mamal without too much of a problem, and noise. You would also be better off with a rifle or shotgun at a roadside injured deer, rather then walking to your car and gettting out your shiny .357

 

I only know one stalker who has had the opertunity to own a handgun for safe despatch, but even he admits there is little point, when you already have a stalking rifle with you, which will also allow a second shot from a safe distance, rather then taking shots from a distance with a pistol. I can assure you its not easy when your adreneline is pumping!

[rarms]

>So they say i'll have to get a 8" barrelled carbine with the arm rest

 

 

8" barrel is still a pistol so you should be able to push for something more pointable if you have good reason.

 

 

>Theres nothing a shotgun or centerfire cant do that the .357 will

 

I .357 can be loaded subsonic, has less range than a centrefire rifle, in pistol form which we are talking about it is far more pointable in confined spaces: Road culverts, farm buildings, and woods.

 

 

 

>but even he admits there is little point, when you already have a stalking rifle with you, which will also

>allow a second shot from a safe distance

 

 

Does he stalk in woodland? On my stalking land there is a few large blocks of woodland, and if I wounded a deer and it hid in there, then I would definately feel more comfortable following it with a small shotgun or a pistol.

 

If there was no need for one then the BASC would not have lobbied the case of the stalker in humberside who got one for stalking. I am pretty sure I read somewhere that in Germany? or some other european countries shooters have to have a trained dog and a handgun when out stalking deer.

 

Whilst they might not be necessary for all stalkers (I cannot see the point if one is hill stalking) that does not mean that some stalkers could not benefit from having one.

[henry d]

I agree with the shotgun theme,as I have dispatched bullocks with a load of SG`s so why use a pistol ?

[trakker01]

yeh ok, i see where you are coming from, as for the 'dirty harry' idea from 'hunter'

 

yeh, ok a rifle will do the distance ,i dont want distance i want manoverable/manageable tool, winging a 223 0r 243 around in a barn,or any rifle , mmmmmmmm or putting a great long rifle to an injured animal, mmmmmmmmm again..

 

& as for a shot gun for a humain killer....hahahaha....whats that about....numpty guns!!! a clean kill(humain) we are discussung..

just there incase, favors the word humain!!!

 

as i say ,the idea is to have a useful tool!!!

[CharlieT]

trakker

 

As long as you can show a need it is relatively easy to get a small cal pistol for humane dispatch. By small caliber I mean .22 or .32. For a larger cal you would have to push your firearms licensing manager a little harder. Conditions generally state that the firearm can only be used for the humane dispatch/slaughter of animals. You can't take it into a field and plink with it. Also the powers that be are somewhat frugal with ammo allowance.

 

Do also remember that if you wish to use a rifle to put down domestic animals your fac must be conditioned accordingly.

 

Pistols for humane dispatch/slaughter are generally smooth bored so are not accurate over more than a few yards. However that said they are a safe and very useful tool.

 

Beleive me,if you fancy a .357 you stand little chance.

 

ct

[rarms]

>Beleive me,if you fancy a .357 you stand little chance.

 

Chap at my club has a .357/.38spl two shot revolver for humane despatch of deer whilst stalking and at RTA. He also reckons the FLO said it was ok to use at ranges etc... so he could get used to it.

[trakker01]

trakker

 

As long as you can show a need it is relatively easy to get a small cal pistol for humane dispatch. By small caliber I mean .22 or .32. For a larger cal you would have to push your firearms licensing manager a little harder. Conditions generally state that the firearm can only be used for the humane dispatch/slaughter of animals. You can't take it into a field and plink with it. Also the powers that be are somewhat frugal with ammo allowance.

 

Do also remember that if you wish to use a rifle to put down domestic animals your fac must be conditioned accordingly.

 

Pistols for humane dispatch/slaughter are generally smooth bored so are not accurate over more than a few yards. However that said they are a safe and very useful tool.

 

Beleive me,if you fancy a .357 you stand little chance.

 

ct

 

Thanks charlie, now im getting some scence on this subject...hahahaha

[gibby]

Here is my fathers .32, I wouldn't go as far to say its easy to get a small cal. pistol permited, you need to be shooting alot of quarry to be granted one so i have been told.

 

For Sale in for sale section.

[henry d]

& as for a shot gun for a humain killer....hahahaha....whats that about....numpty guns!!! a clean kill(humain) we are discussung..

just there incase, favors the word humain!!!

 

as i say ,the idea is to have a useful tool!!!

Next time I dispatch one I`ll video it for you. 1 in No.SG 8.4mm Ø,3.3grammes @ 1070ft/sec @ 2-3yds =

[CharlieT]

Gibby

 

I wouldn't go as far to say its easy to get a small cal. pistol permitted, you need to be shooting alot of quarry to be granted one so i have been told.

 

I did not say it was easy per say, I actually stated that "As long as you can show a need it is relatively easy to get a small cal pistol for humane dispatch".

 

As with all fac applications one has to show a need.

 

rarms

 

You are quite right, what I was trying to get across was the fact that it is unlikely trakker would be conditioned to plink with it on private property.

 

ct

[rarms]

Charlie, I agree, show them one little ince of the fact you might want it for plinking and they will likely say no out of principle, however, it is gonna be on an open ticket and with permission to use it to get used to it there is little they could do if you were to use it for plinking on private land

 

 

As someone on another thread said, our TRAINED armed coppers are **** shots (chap shot in brum? 4 shots one wound to the hand! the poor innocent bloke on the tube, god knows how many shots point blank and still missed!) and look at the training they get. I for one would like to be able to practise with a pistol if I had permission to use one for humane dispatch and I doubt they would turn that request down!

 

 

From a safety point of view it is in their interest to let you practise with it if they are going to trust you out in the field with it!

[Hunter]

yeh ok, i see where you are coming from, as for the 'dirty harry' idea from 'hunter'

 

yeh, ok a rifle will do the distance ,i dont want distance i want manoverable/manageable tool, winging a 223 0r 243 around in a barn,or any rifle , mmmmmmmm or putting a great long rifle to an injured animal, mmmmmmmmm again..

 

& as for a shot gun for a humain killer....hahahaha....whats that about....numpty guns!!! a clean kill(humain) we are discussung..

just there incase, favors the word humain!!!

 

as i say ,the idea is to have a useful tool!!!

 

If you ask me, I would say 36grams of shotgun lead hits harder then a .357 and point blank. (due to the weight) at a range of 5 yards or less, the shot will still be in a tight bunch, almost like a solid lump of lead. It will also spread its energy BETTER then a .357, because it is already in an expanded form. Rather then punching a neat hole, the shot will hit like a 2 ton pneumatic sledge hammer.

 

 

As to the above post,

Why would you stalk deer in an area that is so small you would need a pistol to despatch it? even if it did run into tight woodland, you can still use a rifle. I have hunted many different animals in tight woodland. (brambles, woodland bushes, close trees etc, and its never been a problem to keep the gun close and let of another shot when needed.

The person I mentioned before is also my mentor and we stalk in the same forest for deer on my land when he has a bit of time to help us reduce our Deer problem.

 

I also prefer the idea of a long barreld weapon being used, because you know you wont have and arm/foot/leg infront of the muzzle, and anyone stalking with you, can clearly see where the weapon is pointing.

Also the fact of carrying an extra weapon whilst stalking makes you look like Rambo off hunting. Its just extra kit, with little use in a feild. For a farmer or vet, is a different matter however.

[edd]

I agree with the shotgun theme,as I have dispatched bullocks with a load of SG`s so why use a pistol ?

 

 

 

i have done the same, with my shot gun, it is very effective, i used a size 6 32g at 6 inches and there was no more cow, so yes a shot gun is perfectly fine for dispatching wounded animals depending how close you get,

 

 

edd

[trakker01]

So the top & bottom basically is that, its either using the ol'shotty, with a 5 or better c/f..(for wipe outs)..& to use a dam ulgy 8" carbine taurus revolver for range use!!

 

& the crooks & outlaws have pistols on demand, mmmmmmmmm,some thing wrong here!!

same ol' story..

 

(the honest law abiding citizen has no rights)

 

Its about time some group ,got together & made a noise & stood up for shooters rights & what we should have ,& lobied the government officials & so forth, then we could have a descent UK pistol team for olimpics etc too..

 

(1 or 2 idiots got the exuse the government wanted,to ban pistols)

 

Then maybe ,just maybe.......this country would not behave so cowardly ..toward the criminals,etc..

 

 

Thats my '10 bobs worth', cheers guys...

[flytie]

First of all, "Dunblane"!! The government do not allow you to have pistols for "PLINKING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the British smallbore pistol shooters have to train abroad and have to recieve special permission to compete in this country with their guns. Unless you are culling deer on an almost comercial basis you are never, I repeat never going to be allowed one. As for knocking the use of a shotgun I suggest you think again. At close range the pattern will not have spread and an ounce of lead at 1450 fps (at close range) will kill anything that moves in this country. Using SSG or SG to kill deer was commonplace up to the 1960's. You might stand more chance of getting a solid ball variation on your FAC as these kill wild boar/deer perfectly well at a reasonable range. Numpty is not a word I would associate with shotguns!

 

Ft

[Hunter]

So the top & bottom basically is that, its either using the ol'shotty, with a 5 or better c/f..(for wipe outs)..& to use a dam ulgy 8" carbine taurus revolver for range use!!

 

& the crooks & outlaws have pistols on demand, mmmmmmmmm,some thing wrong here!!

same ol' story..

 

(the honest law abiding citizen has no rights)

 

Its about time some group ,got together & made a noise & stood up for shooters rights & what we should have ,& lobied the government officials & so forth, then we could have a descent UK pistol team for olimpics etc too..

 

(1 or 2 idiots got the exuse the government wanted,to ban pistols)

 

Then maybe ,just maybe.......this country would not behave so cowardly ..toward the criminals,etc..

 

 

Thats my '10 bobs worth', cheers guys...

 

But do you really think you will be shooting so many injured animals that you require a special gun for it? or is all that just an excuse to own a new pistol, because to be honest, its a pretty sad thing to want to shoot animals in the back of the head at a couple of inches.

If you want to shoot pistol, why not try a nice BP* pistol, you can get revolving types, single barrel, muzzle loading, etc etc.. big boom like a .357, loads of recoil, and typically inacurate like all recoiling pistols

I shoot airpistol + BP* at the local club, but I stil prefer rifles because of the accuracy advantage at even close range.

 

 

 

 

* BP stands for Black Powder, and can be fired in varius ways. The prefered is to use a nitro proof revolver, where the BP is filled into each chamber with rice wadding, and then a lead ball of a set callibre. The primer is then fitted last for safety. The barrels are usually rifled for better accuracy. The pistol then fires just like a cartridge revolver. Except usually more smoke

[Bazooka Joe]

as for a shot gun for a humain killer....hahahaha....whats that about....numpty guns!!!

 

 

Trakker, if that's your opinion of a Shotgun, I hope it's in light gesture, at close range it must be one of the most lethal. If plod read your post, I think your chances of the 357 are zero.

 

BJ.

[MC]

Trakker, if that's your opinion of a Shotgun, I hope it's in light gesture, at close range it must be one of the most lethal. If plod read your post, I think your chances of the 357 are zero.

 

Couldn't agree more, and if you wound that many that you need a special weapon to dispatch thenm then perhaps stamp collecting is a better option.

[trakker01]

Trakker, if that's your opinion of a Shotgun, I hope it's in light gesture, at close range it must be one of the most lethal. If plod read your post, I think your chances of the 357 are zero.

 

Couldn't agree more, and if you wound that many that you need a special weapon to dispatch thenm then perhaps stamp collecting is a better option.

 

Seems its not my wounding, but destruction/injury by airgunners & yes you got it....bad shots!! mmmm, inexperienced shooters with wrong weapons...yeh the rifle will do it, but like to see your opinions & how the average,oppressed shooter thinks...hehehehe

 

 

if you guys were so keen on what you shoot...it wouldnt be a matter of been what your allowed ..it should be a matter of what you want want!! dear oh dear...i see why the world walk all over this place!!

 

any how guys , cheer up, aint this what the forums for...fun & trolls!!

 

as for a shot gun for a humain killer....hahahaha....whats that about....numpty guns!!!

 

 

Trakker, if that's your opinion of a Shotgun, I hope it's in light gesture, at close range it must be one of the most lethal. If plod read your post, I think your chances of the 357 are zero.

 

BJ.

 

of course its in jest i have several shotty's, but lets face it, close yeh, ya can hit any thing, upto what 55/70yds! skill....mmmmmmm sorta!!

 

firing a bullet & hitting the target acciratley is skill..

[Hunter]

Ok I think this is a little out of hand

[edd]

same here, as for shot guns, they are probly one of the best for the odd cow sheep pig, due to the size of the shot, dosent matter the size at close range because it dosent have time to spread , i shot a calve the other day because it had pnemonya ( think its spelt like that ) and wasnt going to get better, 12b 6 inches away dead, and it didnt feel a thing one of the most humane death possible!