Paddy Galore! Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 hi chaps, been hankering for a pump action for a while now and i was wondering if these were any good. so who's had one/ used one, and what do you think? Also, there aren't many about 2nd hand so how much are they new? cheers, gram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Have a 10 bore and a 12 bore, fantastic guns. Dont think they are imported routinely, now and again a batch are brough in if they have to many in the states. I paid £350 for my 12 new about 4 years ago my 10 I bought used for £500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joknob Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Have a 10 bore and a 12 bore, fantastic guns. Dont think they are imported routinely, now and again a batch are brough in if they have to many in the states. I paid £350 for my 12 new about 4 years ago my 10 I bought used for £500 shot the 10 on sunday,one of the better made and balanced 10,s craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 thanks chaps, i'll have a word with my local rfd, see if he can get one in for me, £350 doesn't sound bad at all, even with a bit of inflation it's not going to break the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Have a 10 bore and a 12 bore, fantastic guns. Dont think they are imported routinely, now and again a batch are brough in if they have to many in the states. I paid £350 for my 12 new about 4 years ago my 10 I bought used for £500 just wondering, is yours sec1 or 2? and can they be converted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I spent ages looking for a bps 12 and finally found one 2 months ago. It's currently with a gunsmith being reblued. Its going to be my pigeon hide gun. I prefer being able to load without breaking the gun and the bps will drop empties at my feet rather than spraying them everywhere like a semi. Put one next to a mossy and check the quality difference. If I saw one in 10g I would grab it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 They are very well made guns, I know several shooters here that swear by them(not at them) You may want to handle the big 10 before purchasing though as it has a pretty long stroke on the action and short armed shooters may find it a bit troubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 just wondering, is yours sec1 or 2? and can they be converted? Both are s2, I had the 12 mag tube crimped to make it s2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Have to say I'm a big fan of pumps but this was one I'd not considered before.Very nice looking gun;may have to enquire further! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 unfortunately they are now discontinued, heard back from 2 rfds today, both had been in touch with browning and got the same reply, POOP! i was considering a remmi 870 wingmaster as a second choice until i heard the price, £890! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I rather like my Remmy 870 Express. You can feed it anything and it's very pointable. I think they are less than £500 new. Same receiver etc as the Wingmaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Gram, My advice to you would be to look for second-hand 870 Wingmaster - mine's as slick as pig snot on a door-knob. Also, if you can find one, consider getting my personal favourite: the Ithaca M37. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I rather like my Remmy 870 Express. You can feed it anything and it's very pointable. I think they are less than £500 new. Same receiver etc as the Wingmaster. Gram, My advice to you would be to look for second-hand 870 Wingmaster - mine's as slick as pig snot on a door-knob. Also, if you can find one, consider getting my personal favourite: the Ithaca M37. Regards, Mark. that was my next idea, they do them in wood too which i'd prefer to tacky old plastic, thanks gents for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 that was my next idea, they do them in wood too which i'd prefer to tacky old plastic, thanks gents for the help If you search a bit the older ones had some pretty wood on them and as far as use goes they are very durable a good used one here goes for around $300 and that is for a like new unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Other options; high end: Benelli Supernova, awesome, well made and stylish pumper. I have one and love it. Low end: CBC (Magtech Nevada) Brazilian made copy of an 870 Wingmaster. My first shotgun, bought brand new for £150 and I've spent about twice that on ammo to put through it. Didn't clean it for 10 years, never missed a beat. Bullet proof and I don't care if I scratch it. Like a fine wine, or a guitar the just get better with age. Used ones going for about £200 or less these days, but I'd haggle! Wouldn't sell mine if I needed the money for food, it means that much to me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoz82 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Other options; high end: Benelli Supernova, awesome, well made and stylish pumper. I have one and love it. Low end: CBC (Magtech Nevada) Brazilian made copy of an 870 Wingmaster. My first shotgun, bought brand new for £150 and I've spent about twice that on ammo to put through it. Didn't clean it for 10 years, never missed a beat. Bullet proof and I don't care if I scratch it. Like a fine wine, or a guitar the just get better with age. Used ones going for about £200 or less these days, but I'd haggle! Wouldn't sell mine if I needed the money for food, it means that much to me!! +1 for the supernova they are an awesome bit of kit !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) I''ve never handled an Ithaca m37, but have read that they are well made all steel guns and very robust. Like the bps they are bottom eject too. The supernova is the best modern pump, I have one for psg, but it's a whole lot of plastic and is just a tool rather than something to take pride in. Edited December 1, 2012 by theshootist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 I''ve never handled an Ithaca m37, but have read that they are well made all steel guns and very robust. Like the bps they are bottom eject too. The supernova is the best modern pump, I have one for psg, but it's a whole lot of plastic and is just a tool rather than something to take pride in. I've heard you can keep the trigger depressed on the Ithaca M37 and just rack the slide back and forth to keep firing. Sounds terribly gangsta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Lots of old pumps lacked a trigger disconnect. I think the Winchester 1897 did that. Now there's p.a. I would like to find d! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Lots of old pumps lacked a trigger disconnect. On the M37 the slamfire facility is provided by a second sear. Ithaca stopped adding this extra sear about 1975. However, the M&P versions still had the sear until at least 1983. (Guess how I know...) I think the Winchester 1897 did that. Indeed, it did. Now there's p.a. I would like to find d! Same here. Of course, Norinco do a reproduction and, as far as I have heard, it's not bad. Regards, Mark. Edited December 3, 2012 by ChAoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think the slam fire is interesting, but not something that I'd ever use for pigeons or PSG! Mmm the Norinco 1897 leaves me cold I'm afraid, original or nothing for me. I've looked at importing a diamond grade 1897 from the US - but it starts to get very expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think the slam fire is interesting It certainly is. but not something that I'd ever use for pigeons or PSG! Pigeons? No. PSG? Oh, *yes*! I'm afraid, original or nothing for me. I'd be afraid of breaking anything old. My late Dad left me with a nice hundred-year-old Greener SxS hammer gun. It was *very* nice to shoot. However, I gave it to my uncle as I considered myself to be not its *owner*, but merely the current "custodian". It didn't want to be one who broke it and I *do* break things - more or less *anything*. (See my username for a hint.) I've looked at importing a diamond grade 1897 from the US - but it starts to get very expensive! Yes, that *does* sound expensive. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Another vote for the 37, it is acutally a copy of the BPS or at least based on it. One of the best pump actions money can buy, expensive to make due to all the machining thats why the company keeps going bust, but that old design and high cost of manufacture is what makes it the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Another vote for the 37, it is acutally a copy of the BPS or at least based on it. They are totally different guns. See here: http://randywakeman.com/Ithaca37_Browning_%20BPS_Compare.htm The M37 has been in production - on and off - since 1937. I believe that, in comparison, the BPS is a relative newcomer. One of the best pump actions money can buy Now *this*, I agree with. Regards, Mark. Edited December 4, 2012 by ChAoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 They are totally different guns. See here: http://randywakeman....BPS_Compare.htm The M37 has been in production - on and off - since 1937. I believe that, in comparison, the BPS is a relative newcomer. Now *this*, I agree with. Regards, Mark. I didnt mean they are the same. If you research the history of repeaters you will find that John browning holds a lot of patents the 37 was based on those patents after they ran out. It is true browning company did not manufacture a bps pump action until 1978. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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