markyboy Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Often wondered what would happen to my shotguns and rifles is the worst would happen to me ? My father has a shotgun and firearm cert could they go to him or do the police come and take them ? I know it's a pretty dull topic but I'm just using me as an example as would like to know how this situation would go in the hands of the law. I may add also that no will etc has been written out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's usual for the spous/partner/next of kin to be granted a temporary certificate so they can sell or otherwise dispose of them. At least that's the case for shotguns but not too sure about section 1's. The only other thing I would say is don't kick it without leaving a will. It can cause even more grief and expense to your loved ones at a time when they could probably do without it!! GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) Get a will sorted, it's easy and should really be done. If you go while your father or someone else you know holds a certificate the easiest way is for them to come and take the firearms. The shotguns aren't an issue (obviously the person taking them must have them entered on his certificate and notify the police). The firearms are, in my view, still best taken by that person. Unless they're taking them to a RFD for sale they should contact the FLD and explain the situation and apply for a variation. They should be happier for a cert holder to take them even without a slot for each firearm (or they could be stored with a RFD while the variation goes through) than to leave them with a non-certificate holder. Alternatively someone else can apply for a temporary certificate, but when there is someone close who can just take them, it's easier - and obviously one less thing for the bereaved to worry about. Be aware, while it's not common, the police have been known to just come banging on the door the next day demanding to take them. They are usually more sensitive and are happy to come to a suitable arrangement. Sometimes they've been missed altogether and have gone years without the police doing anything... Edited November 25, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 If it's sudden then they may demand they take them there and then! Best have instructions in your will and a note in the cabinet to that effect I.e. who to contact in the event. A local RFD can be a better option than the police taking them as an RFD should know how to store them properly and take ammunition that won't just get binned..... You can of course leave them to a none cert holder and they can be stored by RFD while cert is applied for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Thanks for replies, but with me being the only key holder how can next of kin get access to cabinet without them getting into trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Well once you are dead, the keys will be found or a locksmith called to open the cabinet, there are all sorts of ideas (spares lodged with will) sealed envelope to be opened on your death, spares left with a another cert holder. If anything was to happen to me I know I have made provision to ensure that my loved ones know what to do and hopefully cause the least distress. People will tell you all sorts about keys often taking more secure methods to store keys than the guns! In my direct experience the police when my grandfather passed suddenly at home was less than sympathetic insisting the guns were removed that night ( if he had been taken to hospital breathing they would have stayed in the cabinet but as he was going to the morgue that wasn't good enough!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Think I will get on the case and get something set up, might be an idea to say to my dad to do the same. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Whoever you leave them to in your last will and testament. They can get a temporary liscense until they carry out your wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) Whoever you leave them to in your last will and testament. They can get a temporary liscense until they carry out your wishes edit Edited November 25, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Often wondered what would happen to my shotguns and rifles is the worst would happen to me ? My father has a shotgun and firearm cert could they go to him or do the police come and take them ? I know it's a pretty dull topic but I'm just using me as an example as would like to know how this situation would go in the hands of the law. I may add also that no will etc has been written out. Write one as it will save your family a lot of hassle and expense. Leave your guns to whomever you want. They go whomever you chose to leave them to. Someone in the family will likely be granted a temp permit to hold on to them, if not then they should get an RFD to pick them up. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 If you have a Will it is usual to have 1 or more Executors. It is down to them to apply for a Temp cert or to pass into safe keeping of another SGC/FAC holder or RFD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 In my experience a will is only opened some days after and the police in my experience may not be willing to wait until it is so having a letter perhaps in the cabinet or with the spare keys stating the basics such as " contact mr XYZ or abc gunsmiths" to store temporarily until the will can be executed (probate etc) is not a bad idea especially if some of them are valuable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 In my experience a will is only opened some days after and the police in my experience may not be willing to wait until it is so having a letter perhaps in the cabinet or with the spare keys stating the basics such as " contact mr XYZ or abc gunsmiths" to store temporarily until the will can be executed (probate etc) is not a bad idea especially if some of them are valuable A will is effective the second that the person dies. All that you need to do is to tell your trustees in advance what the arrangements are when you die. Although in theory the police could demand the immediate hand-over of the guns it is pretty poor form to do so. Unless there is no family member suitable to grant a sec.7 permit to then one should be granted. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Several members of our club died during the time I was secretary. The police handled it very differently on each occasion. The best probably was the FEO that came to the house, took away all the guns, delivered them to the local gunshop then came back and gave the wife the paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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