tikka.223 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Guys why on earth do threads like this turn into an argument? Just give good advice which the OP has asked for and be done with it! ATB. As above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Probably. Under the lamp aswell. The last fox I shot was just over 300m. Only its head visable looking over the bank. Hope there was another bank behind his head....!!!😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yes. Canal bank one side is higher than the other for some strange reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Blackbart. I don't know what retical your using but 300m rabbiting the crosshairs don't cover the rabbit. And I can can shoot them very conststantly. Even under the lamp. What set up are you using cockercas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Duralyt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 why not come up with an argument for higher mag thats convincing instead of just being plain rude. No my knoledge dont all come from the internet- how the heck can i prove that? do you wish to see my Level 2 cert passed almost a decade ago? I have already stated i am willing to take the stupid coconut test. How the heck do you know you have shot more than "most" people if you realy have i thought you might be able to come up with a few concreate facts and a more convincing argument in what should be a debate not a childish tiff You just cant win but remember for every finger you point out there are maybee two pointing back at you. To make it clear and i have stated this before I think 300 yds is too far on the lamp for safe and precise shooting, ranges are never definate, you cant see the wind or always identify the nature of the backdrop. In daylight i have shot much further out than 300yds though and it didn't take large amounts of magnification to do it either. 300 yards at night is not the norm,far from it infact i think i have only shot 3 maybe 4 at that range this year.Anything that is at that sort of range i am very sure of the range because i use a rangefinder first.I know the land very well so backstops are not an issue. Like someone said it is a choice issue so i will stick to what works for me and was trying to advise the op not get into "another" pointless argument with you. p.s. Level 2 what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Duralyt. Nice scope what's it on top of ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 A T3 laminate/stainless .243 a lot of my shooting is around the 300m mark. Crows/rabbits ect I like to set up at that range if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 A T3 laminate/stainless .243 a lot of my shooting is around the 300m mark. Crows/rabbits ect I like to set up at that range if possible. Now if we are talking 243 then an 8x or 12x on top of it is a good choice ! As i would want it mainly for deer and the odd fox.I chose a higher mag scope for my 22-250 as i wanted it almost solely for foxing.The rifle is a winchester coyote stainless with laminate stock and with the scope and bipod on weighs about as much as a small car,but i intentionally wanted it that way as almost all my foxing is done from the bonnet of my jeep and as the op asked for a scope for 22-250 for foxing that is why i say a higher mag scope would be better suited. As for kent asking to put a good reason for higher mag on a scope, well forget the scope and think of it this way would it be easy to hit a drawing pin at 40 yards with open sights ?(i just know he is gonna say yes)and would it be any easier to hit that drawing pin if it was the size of a tea plate ?Also kent i say i have probably taken more fox than most because for the last 16 year i have been involved at the same shoot of which i have kept a record of foxes taken for the last 10 year before that i worked my terriers for a hunt,before that i ran lurchers on foxes.so i have taken them with terriers,lurchers shot them with shotgun rifle and even pistol so that is why i said i shot more than "most" on here because i probably have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 When you say keep a record is it detailed? Weather/wind/moon ect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 When you say keep a record is it detailed? Weather/wind/moon ect? No, just location,as in whereabouts and on what farm,dog or vixen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 RIGHT BOYS why on earth do threads like this turn into an argument? Just give good advice which the OP has asked for and be done with it! (thanks bullet boy) All i wanted was a bit of help with what scope to upgrade to, i know we all have opinions I was just trying to get a feel what is the most used scope, NOT A ARGUMENT WHO CAN SHOOT WHAT AND AT WHAT RANGE Cockercas, how do you find the zeiss Duralyt.night and day? What one have you got? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Mark hope you find the right scope for your needs. ATVB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Mark hope you find the right scope for your needs. ATVB. Having used a variable scope and getting on very well with it, so i will be sticking with variable But what make i dont know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm using an MTC Genesis 'scope on my .17HMR. It's an excellent 'scope and would equally be suited on a centrefire rifle. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Having used a variable scope and getting on very well with it, so i will be sticking with variable But what make i dont know what sort of budget is probably the biggest factor in choice if you are contemplating the zeiss then keep a good look out 2nd hand there are some bargains about at the moment. One on the SD with illuminated ret sold for £650 in hours but they do crop up, the bonus of buying one 2nd hand is were you ever to want to sell they very rarely loose money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Hi all I am after a new scope for my 22-250 i use it for foxing day and night at reasonable distances at the mo i have a Bushnell 8x16x50 on, its is a m8 scope and he wants it back to go on a gun what would you recommend? i have been looking at s&b 8x56 But i dont know about using fixed power scope Mark Out of curiosity what is that, and how did you get on with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) it was a bushnell banner 6x16x50 (not a 8X sorry) and got on well with it Edited December 6, 2012 by markws80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) it was a bushnell banner 6x16x50 (not a 8X sorry) and got on well with it :hmm: Ok, I'm not familier with that either, but there are a couple of 6-18x50 Bushnell Banners available for under £150 NEW, if you liked it then why not simply buy your own, seems a lot cheaper option than most mentioned here! Edited December 6, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Now if we are talking 243 then an 8x or 12x on top of it is a good choice ! As i would want it mainly for deer and the odd fox.I chose a higher mag scope for my 22-250 as i wanted it almost solely for foxing.The rifle is a winchester coyote stainless with laminate stock and with the scope and bipod on weighs about as much as a small car,but i intentionally wanted it that way as almost all my foxing is done from the bonnet of my jeep and as the op asked for a scope for 22-250 for foxing that is why i say a higher mag scope would be better suited. As for kent asking to put a good reason for higher mag on a scope, well forget the scope and think of it this way would it be easy to hit a drawing pin at 40 yards with open sights ?(i just know he is gonna say yes)and would it be any easier to hit that drawing pin if it was the size of a tea plate ?Also kent i say i have probably taken more fox than most because for the last 16 year i have been involved at the same shoot of which i have kept a record of foxes taken for the last 10 year before that i worked my terriers for a hunt,before that i ran lurchers on foxes.so i have taken them with terriers,lurchers shot them with shotgun rifle and even pistol so that is why i said i shot more than "most" on here because i probably have. i supose if i was shooting drawing pins.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 it was a bushnell banner 6x16x50 (not a 8X sorry) and got on well with it I'd be sorely tempted to buy another in that case, its a known quantity for what you use it for and there are some very good deals on them at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Its the ?x-12x IR. Its pretty spot on. I'd definitely go for the IR if you want to shoot at dusk. I've never used the IR under the lamp as there's no need. I use the IR for shooting rabbits at last light and only a small dot illuminates. Have a look on uttings mate. If you qualify for the credit you can get it for £35 a month 0%APR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markws80 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 :hmm: Ok, I'm not familier with that either, but there are a couple of 6-18x50 Bushnell Banners available for under £150 NEW, if you liked it then why not simply buy your own, seems a lot cheaper option than most mentioned here! Ha ha it might be a 18 i will have a look later it is a good scope, i just got some cash and was going to get a better glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Having used a variable scope and getting on very well with it, so i will be sticking with variable But what make i dont know I use a varable scope like i said on my .22-250 but its normally set on 10x power. If you got good eyes the 8x power of the S&B 8x56 is good enough.My mate garygreengrass uses his S&B 8x56 to great effect on Foxes.Its a brilliant scope IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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