guest1957 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 the concept of the government making drugs cheaper and more freely available is frankly ludicrous. Look at the levels of tax on cigarettes, alcohol and petrol there is no way on this earth that the government is going to start pushing sorry selling heroin at half the current market value. Which means people will still need to find the money to buy drugs and as we all know holding a job down while on the heavy stuff isn't really an option ergo crime will stay as it is. A gram of pure pharmaceutical grade diamorphine (pure heroin) is unbelievably cheap compared to its street price. Even better of course is to ween addicts off using clean drugs with clean needles etc. I've personally witnessed methadone being used to ensure someone can hold down a basic job, and as it was so cheap there was no need to steal etc. It would have been covered by a free prescription if they hadn't been working. You will never eliminate a black market, however pulling the floor out of an existing one is economically credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/02/02/the-case-for-the-legalisation-of-drugs/ The discussion of Friedman's view is quite interesting, if anyone knows where his original work is I'd be interested to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 and how on this earth are we going to do that ? so to cut out the dealing scum as quoted how can we achieve this,because you dont want to put them in prison,people are in prison for a reason and should serve their sentence to the full, i know some are in for petty crimes but they are there because they are repeat offenders who are commiting these crimes because they are drug users and cant afford to support their habbits so what makes you all think they can afford to buy it off a legally run drugs den, doesn,t add up You've missed the point yet again. By de-criminalizing users you stop them taking up space in prison for people who should be serving their full time there - like dealers. I have never said we shouldn't jail dealers, the opposite in fact. By removing the dealers and their sky-high profit margins and prescribing drugs in a controlled manner we can prevent the petty crime thay makes so many peoples lives a misery. What is it you actually want ? A safer society with less crime ? Or burglaries and prisons full of junkies ? You choose, but bear in mind that you ( the Taxpayer ) will be paying for the crime and the prisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee-kinsman Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Its simple maths ! if you collect revenue from the people who would use legal outlets you would not only save resources from not having to police them people but you would create more resources to police the criminal element. Alcoholism is the most expensive demand upon the NHS, making drugs legal opens the doors for a whole variety of other problems that will cost this country more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 How long is this boring topic going to go on cannabis is another form of filthy stinking brain destroying form of addictive fag ! & if you use it you will put your firearm / shot gun cert at risk give it a rest !!! . Is this a shooting Forum or a JUNKIES Forum ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 How long is this boring topic going to go on cannabis is another form of filthy stinking brain destroying form of addictive fag ! & if you use it you will put your firearm / shot gun cert at risk give it a rest !!! . Is this a shooting Forum or a JUNKIES Forum ? . Some people can discuss issues that affect society but not themselves directly. As the section title clearly states this is 'off topic' so nothing here needs to be shooting related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Alcoholism is the most expensive demand upon the NHS, making drugs legal opens the doors for a whole variety of other problems that will cost this country more money. Actually the top 2 most expensive drains on the NHS are obesity and cancer ! so on that basis we best ban fag's and fat people eh At least attempt to do some research before you post pathetic comments How long is this boring topic going to go on cannabis is another form of filthy stinking brain destroying form of addictive fag ! & if you use it you will put your firearm / shot gun cert at risk give it a rest !!! . Is this a shooting Forum or a JUNKIES Forum ? . Nobody is forcing you to read this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) Alcoholism is the most expensive demand upon the NHS, making drugs legal opens the doors for a whole variety of other problems that will cost this country more money. The tax money exceeds any cost, and then some! http://www.telegraph...every-year.html "£3bn cost of alcohol to NHS every year" Tax: "alcohol contributing £14.6bn in total to UK tax revenues." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11170814 And alcohol is extremely damaging to the body : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210 http://www.bbc.co.uk...health-11665560 The tax from the "softer" drugs, which are all a lot less harmful than tobacco and alcohol would far exceed any cost to the NHS and more some! decriminalisation in Portugal lead to less heroin abuse. You want less heroin use? at the very least you should support more liberal laws. Edited December 20, 2012 by gazzthompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 If you like the S... by all means put your brain & ticket at risk but don't come bitching on PW if you you loose your ticket , we all know the law don't we On my travels around the world I have seen too many screwed up & wasted on it & have heard all the pro s & cons ! out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 If you like the S... by all means put your brain & ticket at risk but don't come bitching on PW if you you loose your ticket , we all know the law don't we On my travels around the world I have seen too many screwed up & wasted on it & have heard all the pro s & cons ! out . Thanks for your input please feel free to post any other pointless dribble you think of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 If you like the S... by all means put your brain & ticket at risk but don't come bitching on PW if you you loose your ticket , we all know the law don't we On my travels around the world I have seen too many screwed up & wasted on it & have heard all the pro s & cons ! out . Wanting a sensible discussion on the issue doesn't imply anyone here is using. I am certainly not. Yet another person who can't separate using and sensible policy discussion in their mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) The idea that supports of liberal drug laws are users is pathetic I barely even drink these days let alone smoke or other.... Are supports of gay marriage gay? Supports of prohibition drug dealers? Edited December 20, 2012 by gazzthompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Thanks for your input please feel free to post any other pointless dribble you think of Forgot to say junkie there is some thing hanging out your dogs rear ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 The idea that supports of liberal drug laws are users is pathetic I barely even drink these days let alone smoke or other.... Are supports of gay marriage gay? Supports of prohibition drug dealers? Tell you what I did do ! I dobbed a drug dealer into the NSW Police over 20 years ago & I am neither sorry & I would do it again tomorrow & I am neither bloody ashamed of what I did & don't any one on here forget it ! I have my reasons & it was a persons death ! now GROW UP ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Tell you what I did do ! I dobbed a drug dealer into the NSW Police over 20 years ago & I am neither sorry & I would do it again tomorrow & I am neither bloody ashamed of what I did & don't any one on here forget it ! I have my reasons & it was a persons death ! now GROW UP ! Yet more constructive input to this discussion, why is it every couple of pages someone pops up just to rant and rave And your telling us to grow up ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 There seems to be alot of people using heroine and other hard drugs as examples. The op's original post is about CANNABIS, no other types of drugs. Weed is probably the most commonly used recreational drug in the country, the fact is legal or not people WILL use it. So do we have pot heads buying off dealers to pay towards their next M3 or AMG merc. Or adopt a system like the Dutch, legalise,tax, create jobs, educate and possibly bring in more tourists to help boost our economy. Say for example 5 million people smoke weed in the uk. The industry that could spawn off that and the money that could be made is phenomenal. Lets not forget the help it would give to those who really need it, like M/S suffers, cancer patients and numerous other illnesses that cannabis has been PROVEN to help with. Anyway I'm off to buy loads of sand, because at the rate people are burying their heads in it there will be a shortage soon and I will make a killing off it, Anyway merry Xmas to all the PW's. Pro and anti legalisation. ATB 425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Yet more constructive input to this discussion, why is it every couple of pages someone pops up just to rant and rave And your telling us to grow up ! Well smoke all you like ! & I just love smoking the dealers out its a bit like annoying wasps ! they get so mad to sting you they forget they are being watched ! Happy Christmas ! my dear chap ! . Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Mate the business model is proven to work in other countries ! what makes you think it wont work here ? there are too many benefit bums for it to work,thats the reason for their thefts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Well smoke all you like ! & I just love smoking the dealers out its a bit like annoying wasps ! they get so mad to sting you they forget they are being watched ! Happy Christmas ! my dear chap ! . Pole Star Crackers. It's actually been a fairly comprehensive discussion with minimal mud slinging. Trying to come over the top at the end with a big slice of the Daily Mail and some ranting half baked story from the past with no details? Why bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Crackers. It's actually been a fairly comprehensive discussion with minimal mud slinging. Trying to come over the top at the end with a big slice of the Daily Mail and some ranting half baked story from the past with no details? Why bother. Totally agree My guess is he has no valid point to put across so he'll try and get a rise in order to get the thread closed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 there are too many benefit bums for it to work,thats the reason for their thefts As stated many times, undercut the illegal market with safer more effective production. Your repeating the same arguments which have been opposed already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 you've got the same defence to those arguments though Gazz you believe the government will offer cheap drugs to the masses the rest of us can't think of a single case where the government has made anything less expensive. You are also suggesting drugs companies release drugs with no license and no trials work done with regard to safety just because you seem to believe drugs are harmless. Bringing drugs to the market doesn't work like that hence anyone that invests the 100's of millions to trial your drugs is going to want a payback you only have to look at how the price of drugs come down once people can produce generic versions. Then you want a chunk of tax to make it worthwhile to the government on top its simply not going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Government? private companies. Yeah because people will only buy illegal if legal is too expensive.. happens with alcohol and tobacco right? oh wait.. nope. Drugs are not harmless. They are disgusting and can be very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Alcohol and tobacco are at a different level and the illegal supply chain has never been properly established as they have always been legal. Drugs there is a very good illegal supply chain already there the government pushing cheap drugs to undermine them is simply not going to happen in a normal sane society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) The most direct comparator to weed is alcohol. Alcohol has some fairly negative effects but as a whole the majority manage not to become booze hounds, move onto crack or end up in A&E on it and the flip side of the coin is the massive revenue the government receives. Do also bear in mind that if the UK was a dry Country and we were in some form of prohibition then there would be even more villains getting rich off the black market by boot legging alcohol. Look at it another way - everything so far hasn't worked. What about a dry run of legalisation of weed in Scotland - the natives would be to drunk on booze that no one would notice any difference eh? Edited December 21, 2012 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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