Essex Keeper Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Evening all Good Christmas I hope Spoke to my farmer before Christmas he would like me to shoot foxs now as I've had my .22rf for 2 years and would Like to help me get my .223 in return controlling foxs Am i ok to ask for 17 hmr rabbits And .223 cf foxs Any ideas on time scale with essex feo for variation Include permmison slips when sending ? Thanks as always as it was pigeon watch who helped me 2years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 You should be fine, asking for .223 & .17HMR, although I would'nt state that you want the latter for rabbits only, or you could find a condition added to your ticket. I would state that you want it for longer range vermin control. As for the time scale, I can't help you on that one. Send copies of your permission slips, and you could also include a signed letter from the farmer, stating that he is having problems with foxes, and wants you to deal with them. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 So long as you have trust with your FEO then no need to fill in permission slips. The police can always ring the farmer to confirm, but that shouldn't really be required. If they don't trust you they wouldn't let you wander the countryside with your .22! Yes .17HMR for longer range vermin .223 I think mine is conditioned for vermin, hares and fox. Don't forget slots for moderators. Not wanting to open the can of worms but looking at things I opted for a 22-250 over the .223. Have you given it some long hard thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 So long as you have trust with your FEO then no need to fill in permission slips. The police can always ring the farmer to confirm, but that shouldn't really be required. If they don't trust you they wouldn't let you wander the countryside with your .22! Yes .17HMR for longer range vermin .223 I think mine is conditioned for vermin, hares and fox. Don't forget slots for moderators. Not wanting to open the can of worms but looking at things I opted for a 22-250 over the .223. Have you given it some long hard thought? I'm in a similar position what were your reasons for 22-250 mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I'm in a similar position what were your reasons for 22-250 mate? Faster, and therefore better energy retention down range. Very flat shooting (I'm zero'd at 100m and you can shoot straight out to 250m). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted December 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I will have a look into it Feedback much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Don't forget to include your .22 as I heard last week in Durham a guy put in for variation and only included his new requirement. The variation would of come back with only the new gun on if it wasn't for a phone call from his firearms department.They told him if he didn't include the calibres he already had, they would assume that those calibres where was no longer required. Edited December 28, 2012 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Not in Essex just put down the new calibre and don't bother with permission slips as I assume it was the land you originally used to get fac Just find out what the land is cleared for as I assume you have a closed cert. Expect it to take upto a month depending on all the paperwork but could be as quick as two weeks They might even require a mentor for you Edited December 28, 2012 by jasons gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Evening all Good Christmas I hope Spoke to my farmer before Christmas he would like me to shoot foxs now as I've had my .22rf for 2 years and would Like to help me get my .223 in return controlling foxs Am i ok to ask for 17 hmr rabbits And .223 cf foxs Any ideas on time scale with essex feo for variation Include permmison slips when sending ? Thanks as always as it was pigeon watch who helped me 2years ago Seems perfectly reasonable, though whatever fox calibre you choose request fox and vermin not just fox. That way if any bunny presents itself while you're out foxing you can give it the good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Seems straight forward enough though I never personally ask for two items on a single variation I think it gives them too much to think about and creates uncertainty in the minds of some. My landowner would like me to shoot his foxes, the .22 isnt suited can I have a .223 rem please and a moderator so I don't go deaf. Its an easier call, add the 17 if you still fancy it after .223 rem is an perfect choice far longer usable life than a 22-250, easier to moderate and cheaper to re-load if you take that route. 250 yds is not a problem for the gun and even further still its just down to the shooter. The weakest .22 centre fire (the hornet) zeroed at 130yds with 45grn hand loads is only 3/4" low at 150yds and will remain in the heart lung region of a fox to nearly 170 yds. After that point 200yds requires 2 MOA and 250 4.1 MOA. issue is never how flat though as the 250yds windage is 7.74 MOA at 10mph fv. As always flatness isn't the issue. If I was to say consider another calibre (which I am not as .223 is a great choice I should say consider that smaller than the .223 could more easily give you a better gun for long range rabbits knocking the HMR into oblivion and also be fully fox capable. At the end of the day how many foxes will you shoot each year on this land at 300 yds and over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 mine takes just a week each time in essex, they will probably give you mentoring conditions they did for me for my 223 and again now for 243 but they didnt on a 17rem tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Not in Essex just put down the new calibre and don't bother with permission slips as I assume it was the land you originally used to get fac Just find out what the land is cleared for as I assume you have a closed cert. Expect it to take upto a month depending on all the paperwork but could be as quick as two weeks They might even require a mentor for you Same as south Yorkshire no need for slips the land was all ready passed for calibre I sent for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Morning all getting everything together this morning to send of for my variation Do I just put a covering letter in asking has the land Been cleared ? my farmers says it is but like to be 100% Anyone have a check list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I usually send a covering letter, but keep things as short and sweet as possible. If you waffle they can twist your words. Eg Dear sir I am applying for a variation to my firearms certificate to add a .223 rifle and sound moderator for shooting foxes on land belonging to MR A Farmer. [an optional line along the lines of "in the last year he has lost a number of lambs and some chickens to fox predation, and as I am already shooting the rabbits he has asked me to also deal with his fox problem."] Please could you also condition the .223 rifle for shooting vermin. I would also like to add a .17HMR and sound moderator for medium range vermin control, also for use on Mr A Farmer's land. Signed M2TYJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Morning all getting everything together this morning to send of for my variation Do I just put a covering letter in asking has the land Been cleared ? my farmers says it is but like to be 100% Anyone have a check list Just phone them or email them to ask if land is cleared that's what I do saves alot of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 UPDATE. Still waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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