il cacciatore Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 It struck me that there are indicating factors that might give you a precognition as to whether your asking for permission will be successful just by looking at the farm. For me, if there are pheasants on the ground thats always an automatic no straight off because either its estate lands and the farm doesnt hold the shooting rights or they are worried that your there to shoot all their pheasants for free without paying for the shoot. Another thing is if you see horses, or the farm is unusually tidy then for some reason they nearly always say no. Anyone else found any other things that might give a prior indication to success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Pat Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Two of the farms I shoot vermin on have pheasants now roaming them. I have an arrangement with the farmer on one, and the shoot on the other, that I stay away from them until the beginning of February, due to disturbing the birds. This also gives the bunny and pigeon population time to forget me. The farmers are pleased to see me back in February, as the shoots are not as effective in controlling vermin numbers. Don't give up just because there are game birds around, try knocking in March; the farmer will have had one month of vermin and no guns (if you are lucky). This also gives you time to be trusted before the next game season. If you had several thousand pounds of poachable revenue walking your fields and woods would you welcome strangers or disturbance? Pat BTW both the farms are unnaturally tidy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Another thing is if you see horses, or the farm is unusually tidy then for some reason they nearly always say no. not allways true i shoot 2 stables with approx 15 horses on each try gettin permission to shoot with airgun first much quiter. if theres rabbits dont forget to mention there makein holes on there fields dont want any horses to brake there legs in them now do we .and horses get used to bangs from shotguns aswell.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted October 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Maybe its just my luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black hat Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Another thing is if you see horses, or the farm is unusually tidy then for some reason they nearly always say no. not allways true i shoot 2 stables with approx 15 horses on each try gettin permission to shoot with airgun first much quiter. if theres rabbits dont forget to mention there makein holes on there fields dont want any horses to brake there legs in them now do we .and horses get used to bangs from shotguns aswell.. I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LEg AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I once had a half ownership in a riding stables, that had a lot of paddocks, with banks and valleys. The non stop rabbit control almost became a nuisance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Another thing is if you see horses, or the farm is unusually tidy then for some reason they nearly always say no. not allways true i shoot 2 stables with approx 15 horses on each try gettin permission to shoot with airgun first much quiter. if theres rabbits dont forget to mention there makein holes on there fields dont want any horses to brake there legs in them now do we .and horses get used to bangs from shotguns aswell.. I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LET AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE then i would say no to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LET AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE That was quite hard to understand the first time. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 If you decide to ask anyway, I think you can tell within the first 10 seconds if its a yes or a no. Body language tells the story and if it looks like a no is coming I start with my finely honed "sorry i'm disturbing you, here's a card feel free to call me any time - sorry to bother you" schpiel. Works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LET AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE That was quite hard to understand the first time. Ben I tried 3 times and gave up A friend and I were given permission to shoot the grounds of a holiday cottage we were staying at in Devon. We asked about pigeons intially but he he yes to that but you could help me out a lot more if you nailed some rabbits. The owner had his horses in the field (he hunted) and was fed up with them but didn't have the time to get on top the problem himself. We shot so many in during our stay he gave each us £5 off the bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black hat Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LET AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE That was quite hard to understand the first time. Ben I tried 3 times and gave up A friend and I were given permission to shoot the grounds of a holiday cottage we were staying at in Devon. We asked about pigeons intially but he he yes to that but you could help me out a lot more if you nailed some rabbits. The owner had his horses in the field (he hunted) and was fed up with them but didn't have the time to get on top the problem himself. We shot so many in during our stay he gave each us £5 off the bill I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LET AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE That was quite hard to understand the first time. Ben I tried 3 times and gave up A friend and I were given permission to shoot the grounds of a holiday cottage we were staying at in Devon. We asked about pigeons intially but he he yes to that but you could help me out a lot more if you nailed some rabbits. The owner had his horses in the field (he hunted) and was fed up with them but didn't have the time to get on top the problem himself. We shot so many in during our stay he gave each us £5 off the bill those in glass houses should'nt through stones when there grammars not a lot better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 If you see about 500-1000 acres of barley, maize, corn, wheat you are gaurenteed that they already have about 10 people shooting on it still worth asking though i suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I FIND HORSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AGAIST SHOOTING UN-TILL THAY THINK ABOUT BROKEN LEG I HAVE JUST HAD A LAND OWNER CALL ME AFTER SAYING NO TO ASK ME TO HELP HIM OUT AS HIS PRISED STUDY THINGY HAS HERT A LET AFTER A BIT OF RABBIT SABUTARGE That was quite hard to understand the first time. Ben I tried 3 times and gave up :blink: A friend and I were given permission to shoot the grounds of a holiday cottage we were staying at in Devon. We asked about pigeons intially but he he yes to that but you could help me out a lot more if you nailed some rabbits. The owner had his horses in the field (he hunted) and was fed up with them but didn't have the time to get on top the problem himself. We shot so many in during our stay he gave each us £5 off the bill :blink: I'm sure if you put yourselves out you would have got the gist. What will be next picking on people for feral apostrophe's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 feral apostrophe's? are these on the defra list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 feral apostrophe's? are these on the defra list. They are but there's not much meat on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 feral apostrophe's? are these on the defra list. They are but there's not much meat on them Cannot be markbivvy's then (fat ***) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 feral apostrophe's? are these on the defra list. They are but there's not much meat on them Cannot be markbivvy's then (fat ***) markbivvy, specialist in the culling of feral apostrophe's Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 feral apostrophe's? are these on the defra list. They are but there's not much meat on them Cannot be markbivvy's then (fat ***) markbivvy, specialist in the culling of feral apostrophe's Dave where ever you two are, you better lock the doors. the men in white. suites are coming for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 feral apostrophe's? are these on the defra list. They are but there's not much meat on them Cannot be markbivvy's then (fat ***) markbivvy, specialist in the culling of feral apostrophe's Dave where ever you two are, you better lock the doors. the men in white. suites are coming for you. Led by markbivvy who still has the white suit he bought in the 1970's (and the platform shoes ..... and the tank top) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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