cockercas Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I was pretty sure i had no need to notify them. Just wanted it confirming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 But that's the problem all the regions are different wot i can do and u can do could be 2 completely dofferent things, my region is 1 of best for firearms and are briilliant to work with but if u are in a region which ask's for notification (which is not a legal requirement, and i do not know if it will say this on ur conditions or in a covering letter ) and u don't next time u want a 1-1 variation or a new rifle they may use it aggainst u, my legal asdvise for most people would be have a good read throu it any doubt phone BASC. So in ur case i'd ring BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I arnt to bothered about what they want. What the law wants is what i need to comply with. Ive challanged them before and if i have to i will again. If and when the time comes. As the facts go. I dont need to involve them in a second cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Add to that, where does the "police approved" bit factor in. The cabinet should be manufactured to a British Standard. Last time I looked, the police don't control the BSI. Even then the British Standard is not a legal requirement - there are many cabinets out there which do not meet this, yet are perfectly acceptable. BS just makes things easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Even then the British Standard is not a legal requirement - there are many cabinets out there which do not meet this, yet are perfectly acceptable. BS just makes things easier. True, mine was advertised as British Standard but when it arrived there were no markings, stickers to prove that it was. But the FLO seemed happy with it and I offered to show him the website that sold them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant1 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 who approves the gun cabinet? i have had mine since it was law to have one.it is a old school locker type with two padlocks.and has passed every time .as for a second cabinet i would not bother informing them until renewal time,just make sure it is bolted to the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 When I got my first sgc I didn't have a safe, the feo said let me know when u get one installed. A week later I called him and said I had one installed, 4 days later my cert arrived. He never saw it once. Nor cared for all I can imagine. I was 18 and this was the late 90's. When I got my most recent license the feo came round and poked the safe, asked how many guns it can hold, I said 5-6 and she said ok 5-6 it is then. Let me know if you get another safe, I'm presuming that means she would want to check but who knows. Weather u tell them or not makes no difference as when you tell them you have a new gun they will check to see how many you can hold, if its more than they noted when they issued the licence they will come and check. Simple really. Id suggest not allowing them in will result in a quick revocation of your licence. Be an interesting challenge eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Id suggest not allowing them in will result in a quick revocation of your licence. Be an interesting challenge eh ? i didnt mean i wouldn't let them in but all my guns would be placed in cabinet no1 were they are now. they wouldn't get a foot thru the door if they just turned up one day. not until id established who they was anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 So you've asked the question you've had the replies what are you going to do. Inform or not inform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 What happens if I install third cabinet , notify or not? Or does that depend if I've notified the second one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 So you've asked the question you've had the replies what are you going to do. Inform or not inform? Seen as i dont have to. Not inform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 In Essex they seem to be a bit fussy on the amount of guns in relation to the size of your cabinet, I added a rifle and I had to either make room I.e sell a gun or fit another cabinet which they would inspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Okey dokey then Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 What happens if I install third cabinet , notify or not? Or does that depend if I've notified the second one ? The same applies to however many you add, you do not have to notify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'll try to avoid all the previous postings, here is how I see it : There is no requirement in law to inform the police : you are responsible for your own storage arrangements but ... do bear in mind that the police can start to insist on additional security (alarms or linked alarms -needing you to pay contract fees to ADT, etc), if they feel that the number of guns you are holding warrant additional security. I'd suggest that a belligerent attitude is probably more likely to get you over that limit, for which there would be no right of appeal. By telling them, and keeping them informed, and keeping a good relationship with them, you are, in a borderline case, less likely to be spending additional money on that alarm contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 If i put in a 2nd cabinet do i legaly have to inform the police were it is?. As i understand it. Its my responsibilty to prevent un authorised acsess. Id rather no one knew of its wereabouts. No, you don't have to tell them. This was done to death a few weeks back, I think. J. I should think the police will have to approve the cabinet as fit for keeping firearms/shotguns in first so they will see where it is when they inspect it. They do not have to approve a new cabinet. J. If you are keeping firearms in it then you need to tell them so they can approve it, if your not keeping firearms in it then you dont need to tell them, why not just buy a safe and put it where you like. No you don't. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 If you are storing firearms in a second cabinet that has not been inspected by the police you are looking for trouble mate. If your increasing your holding capacity they need to know. Your security I.e. your cabinet is passed for a number of guns for you to hold in that cabinet. If you want it for other stuff apart from guns then it is a safe so no you don't have to ask them You are not 'looking for trouble'. They do not need to know if you are increasung your capacity. Your cabinet is not 'passed' for a certain number of guns. If it were then are you saying that you would be prosecuted for keeping 4 guns in a 3 gun cabinet? J. I rather not have anything to do with them. As far as im aware its MY responsibilty to keep them safe. You are perfectly correct. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 So thats two other people who have looked and found nothing. Thanks chaps. When renewal comes around all guns will be put back into cabinet no1. No questions asked. There is no reason to do that as you are doing nothing wrong by installing the second cabinet. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I dont think in law it states you have to inform them but differant forces seem to make up thier own rules, i was always told i have to inform them where as other forces may not, the same applies to the cabinet, as far as i know its not a legal requirement to have a police approved one but your just making life hard if it isnt. I have tried to attach a file for guidance, dont know if it will work. You do not have to do anything which is not specified in the Act or in rules made under the Act. The only exception would be in the case of a condtion added by the police to your cert. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Why so edgy? Just tell them and if they want to inspect it, let them do their job. The problem is that it is not their job. There is no requirement to do this when you get a new cabinet. If you do then they most surely will come out and look which is yet more work for on over worked and understaffed department which adds to the current processing time for applications. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Add to that, where does the "police approved" bit factor in. The cabinet should be manufactured to a British Standard. Last time I looked, the police don't control the BSI. And, even then, there is no actual legal requirement that the cabinet meet the BS Standard. That is merely to save time in showing that it meets a certain level to make the job of the licensing pepole easier. Just because it meets the standard doesn't mean that you automatically have good enough security. The BS Standard system has a lot of very good advantages but it is not a blanket answer to everything. If you chucked out your cabinets tomorrow and converted a room in your house to a secure gun room and kept your guns on the walls of that room without telling the police what you had done then it does not mean that you have done anything illegal. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Even then the British Standard is not a legal requirement - there are many cabinets out there which do not meet this, yet are perfectly acceptable. BS just makes things easier. I recall hearing of something a while back whereby a manufacturer of security equipment intentionally refused to put BS marks on theit products due to the products themselves far exceeding the BS requirement. To do so would make their products look inferio to what they actually were. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Thats a lot of posts J. Thanks for taking the time to write that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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